Assault Rifles For Hunters?

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.   

UPDATE: As a point of clarification about this blog, it is important for everyone to realize that the opinions expressed here are Jim’s and not necessarily those of Outdoor Life.

I’ve been friends with Jim for many years and have shared countless great times with him talking about both hunting and guns. While I totally support Jim’s right to express his point of view—this is his blog after all—I don’t happen to agree with him on this matter.

His position that AR- and AK-style rifles don’t have a place among our “sporting arms” is not one that I personally, or Outdoor Life as a magazine, happens to share.

In the six years that I’ve worked at Outdoor Life we have never wavered in our support of our Second Amendment rights, which don’t, and shouldn’t, make a distinction about the cosmetic look of the guns that we choose take to our local gun clubs or into hunting camp.

That said, I don’t expect every other hunter and sportsman out there to have a set of opinions that moves in lockstep with mine. So while I don’t share Jim’s view on this, I also know that he is still the same wonderfully talented and good-natured person he was before this post went up. For those of you who have followed him for all or part of his more than thirty years at Outdoor Life, I would ask you to bear that in mind before damning him with personal attacks.

John B. Snow
Executive Editor
Outdoor Life

Comments

[John M. Gagnon]

I also have no interest in using a combat-type gun in the woods. Auto rifles (especially those with large magazines) tend to promote a "spray and pray" mentality, rather than a deliberative and carefully chosen humane harvest. Already too many hunters take impulsive shots at running game. Neither the image of hunters as commandos nor the sight of wounded game will help us with the public perception of hunting. I understand that using a combat rifle of this type does not FORCE a hunter to hunt impulsively, but the vast majority of hunters will be better served with a gun (like a bolt, lever or single shot) that is likely lighter and more reliable anyway. If you insist on using an auto, there are plenty of sporting models that have more than enough firepower for game. If you don't care who you intimidate by the look of your firearm (or you secretly enjoy looking like Rambo), you are not caring enough about the public perception of our endangered sport.

[Greg]

Jim, There is nothing quite like the feel of a quality wood stock in hand, especially the one on your favorite sporting rifle. I carry and train with an AR15 on my job and I must admit it is a rush, but would not consider hunting with the cold uncomfortable thing.

[jstreet]

I'm not a huge fan of the whole tactical take that seems to be popular right now. I really don't see the need for it. Traditional buttstocks and firearms have worked fine for years.
I know remington and mossberg have a couple of collapsible stock turkey guns on the market right now.
I don't find the stocks comfortable to use and I feel like I'm playing soldier.
Jim

[Jwilliams]

So what if people want to hunt with a rifle that does not "look" like the rest. I personally do not own nor would I hunt with an Assault Rifle - But could care less if that is what someone else prefers to hunt with. Make up your mind Jim -- Divided we fall.

[Josh]

If an AR-15 is considered a "terrorist" rifle, then what about all the other semi-automatic rifles out there such as mini-14's. All of those assault rifles are just civilian versions of the M-16. I know they aren't automatic, heck i don't think they even allow them to have a 3 round burst so it is kind of hard for me to even consider them as assault rifles. I know they are all sinthetic and metal with no wood but that isn't always a bad thing. I think I have even seen you Mr. Zumbo with rifles that don't have any wood. I think the bigest reason I responded to your article is that you called these rifles "terrorist" rifles. As far as i know we are the only country that uses rifles like this so are you refering to our soldiers as terrorists?

[Josh]

If an AR-15 is considered a "terrorist" rifle, then what about all the other semi-automatic rifles out there such as mini-14's. All of those assault rifles are just civilian versions of the M-16. I know they aren't automatic, heck i don't think they even allow them to have a 3 round burst so it is kind of hard for me to even consider them as assault rifles. I know they are all sinthetic and metal with no wood but that isn't always a bad thing. I think I have even seen you Mr. Zumbo with rifles that don't have any wood. I think the bigest reason I responded to your article is that you called these rifles "terrorist" rifles. As far as i know we are the only country that uses rifles like this so are you refering to our soldiers as terrorists?

[Buckdun]

I somewhat agree Jim. For normal hunting there is no place for them. I have one & the only time it gets used is when there is a problem with feral dogs or coyotes during calving. Other than those times the only use that it has is to stop charging cans. This is the only other thing they are good for. Also the 7.62x39 has recieved a lot of press lately as a hunting rd, it has less power than the old .30-30, & the .30-30 has been condemed for years as being underpowered so why are hunting mags calling the 7.62 great?

[Eric]

When I varmint hunt I use a Mini-14, but I only use a 5 round clip. I also use a ruger 10/22. I think hunting with a assault rifle is only okay if you have a 5 round clip in it.

[Billy]

Just wait 'til they come for your "high powered sniper rifle." If I were you, I wouldn't divide gun owners as we are under attack and these kind of articles only hurt the overall cause.

[Bryan]

Your blog entry is disgusting. Asking game departments to ban the AR type rifles in the woods? Calling them terrorist rifles? You are an enemy to the 2nd Amendment on the same level as Sarah Brady with these types of blog entries.

Have you heard "Divided We Stand United We Fall"?

[Slyvester Putz]

I hunt with an AR. Why? Because in the standard .223 Rem /5.56 NATO caliber, handloaded with 75 grain Swifts, it is perfect for South Texas Whitetails and feral hogs.

My AR is NOT a terrorist rifle as when it isn't used for hunting, it is a fine rifle in the Civillian Marksmanship Program. Target shooting and not from the bench. 3 position, about perfect practice for field shooting. The only change I make to the rifle for hunting is ammo and removal of the weights. No fancy scope necessary because it hits where I aim it and I know what it does at range.

And those bemoaning the use of .223 for deer have never tried it. Or are such poor shots they need overkilling power to make up for their lack of skill. No hunter should EVER take a shot they know they cannot make. And shooting more than 2 boxes of ammo a year at targets on varying range is a confidence builder. If I can see it, I can shoot it.

[Mike R.]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=548211

[Doug]

I cannot believe I just read that. For a minute, I thought I was on the Brady website.

The "Traditional" rifles (wood stock, bolt action) are all but gone at high power matches. Looking over the stats from Camp Perry this year, I seem to remember that most of the winners used (gasp) AR-15 stle rifles.

If you are afraid of an inanimate object because of the way it looks, I humbly suggest you seek professional help.

[Ben]

You sir are disgusting.

We all know you have a propensity for high-powered bolt action sniper rifles capable of killing from hundreds of yards away. No reasonable hunter would ever need such a weapon for civlized hunting in a civilized society.

The only thing one would ever need is a bow and arrow. The only people who need high powered super bolt action sniper rifles are those playing commando, and they need to be thrown in prison.

[Jon]

You sound like a writer for a fashion magazine.Those rifles are just not pretty. They do not belong because I say so.
You should hunt with what I approve.
Government restrictions will come for your firearms too. Just look at the U.K. they cannot own anything. Then who will stand with you? Please stand up for all firearm types the Constitution says nothing about "sporting" use of a firearm. Do not be scared be educated and informed and free.

[matt]

Most of the public find your hunting rifles, which I call high powered sniper rifles, terrifying.

[Paul]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=548054

[Ilikeallguns]

I really have a hard time believing that someone as versed in firearms as Jim Zumbo would be in the dark about the use of Ar's for sporting purposes. I'm equally suprised he is unaware of the accuracy capability of these guns. There are many manufacturers with accuracy guarantees of 1moa or 3/4 moa. What are the claims for Remington, isn't it around 3moa. There are many other hunting/fishing publications out in the world that have said many great things about these guns. I guess I'm just suprised to see the seperation being created here. Espescially when it all comes down to it, If they can take one semi-auto, they can take another, and then who knows what's next.

[JW]

You are a disappointment to firearms
enthusiasts everywhere.

[Paul Vargas]

Gee Mr. Zumbo, since an AR-15 looks exactly like the M-16 series weapons our military uses, I guess a reasonable person can only conclude you are calling our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines 'terrorists'.

My advice for you is if you chose not to hunt with an AR-15, don't do it but please don't go around minding other peoples business.

" If you don't care who you intimidate by the look of your firearm (or you secretly enjoy looking like Rambo), you are not caring enough about the public perception of our endangered sport."

And it seems you are more concerned with your own selfish preconceptions on how the world ougt to be than protecting the Second Amendemnt. To hell with other tax payers and their rights, you are going to have things your way or no way. Funny, last time I read the Second Amendment, the word 'hunting' appeared no where in it? Coud it be there is in actual fact no constitutionally protected right to hunt and it is merely a by-product (and a lesser one) of a greater and more encompasing right?

You remind me of the old timers over on the Ham radio side of things that would rather see Amateur Radio die completely than the morse code requirement be dropped. They have become so set in their ways, so afraid of even the slightest change, they would rather see the entire hobby die wtih them that adapt to modern times in the most miniscule way. They look down their nose at the new generation and percieve them as malcontents and hooligans, lumping all into one category when they themselves have allowed their predjudices to make of them the very thing they claim to despise.

You sir, are nothing more than a selfish coward who is willing to throw your fellow shooters to the hungry wolves for your own self-serving reasons in the vain hope you are eaten last. You sell out your fellow shooters instead of taking a principled stand and supporting the shooting community as a whole.

If anyone is to blame for the current state of affairs, you will find him looking back at you from your bathroom mirror.

[Aaron]

Zumbo, your ignorance on weapons truly abounds in this writing. You say that AR-15's are terrorist rifles so then i guess you are calling US Soldiers terrorists as thay are the only military in the world that uses the AR-15 platform (in the military this would be the M-16). Secondly, lets look at the facts of these "terrorist" rifles. These are nothing more then semi-automatic 223 caliber rifles. We all hunt and own a lot more powerful rifles then this to go shoot a deer, elk, or bear in the US so why are those rifles then not demonized.

Or how bout the Remington 7400; thats a semi-automatic rifle that shoots a far larger bullet then the little 223 the AR-15 shoots. SO why is the remington 7400 an ok gun to hunt with and not the AR=15. The remington has a 5 round box mag and the AR-15 to legally hunt with it only has a 5 round box magazine so why is there so much of a difference then??

Your ignorance abounds in this article and its people like you that will get all rifles banned. Remember, you want to rid the country of these evil AR-15s that shoot litte 22 caliber bullets, so what will stop the liberals of ridding this country of rifles that shoots large caliber bullets(.30, 338 etc).

One last thing for all the above commentors: a clip loads a magazine and a magazine loads a rifle. So your Ruger Mini-14 does not have a 5 round clip but a 5 round magazine. So please remember, its magazine not clip. Say it again, magazine not clip.

Well at least now i know its time to cancel my subscription to this magazine (the one you read not load a rifle with) as this is as bad as reading a democratic convention flyer.

Take care all and happy hunting!!!

[Erik S.]

I used to respect you, Jim, but your comments are disappointing. What makes your weapon of choice more noble than the next guy's? Also, maybe you should pay more attention to the company you keep, particularly the executives from Remington. Their company provides ammunition for these so-called terrorist rifles. They'll be getting a letter from me.

[Charles Roberts II]

First they took the "assault" rifles, but I didn't care because I couldn't hunt with them.

Then they took the handguns, but I didn't care because a lot of folks don't hunt with them.

Then they took the leaver action rifles and pump shotguns. I didn't say anything because we can hunt without them.

Then they banned center fire rifles and and slugs. We could hunt with buckshot.

Then they banned them all but it was too late. No one was there to stand beside me in the fight to save the right to keep and bear arms.

We as gun owners stand and fall together. The attitute that you Mr.Zumbo have will be the death of gun ownership in the USA. Your attitude is the same as the "hunters" in England and that attitude is why they are in the state they are in.

If you think they just want my AR15 you are sadly mistaken. They want all arms out of the hands of citizens.

I will close with some words from our current speaker of the house, Nancy Pelosi. "If I could have got the votes that day I would have said Mr. and Mrs. America TRUN THEM ALL IN."

TURN THEM ALL IN, united we stand and divided we fall.

[todd4417]

I have several AR-15`s and one AK-47 neither of which i`ve used for hunting (I`ve got a 30-06 for that, which by the way started life as a Military Round)I use my AR-15`s and AK-47 for plinking at the range cause there fun and cheap to shoot. I shoot several thousand rounds a year and have become a better shot just by shooting more than I would just using my deer rifles. You people who call these rifles "terrorist" rifles or there "bullets" cop killers need to pull you heads out of your a$$es. Politicians are trying to fool the average hunter by saying they only want to ban "assult/sniper" rifles or "cop killer" bullets. Your deer rifle with a scope on it is a sniper rifle and your 270, 308, 30/06, ect... will penetrate a bullet prove vest just as easy as a "cop killing" 223/5.56 or 7.62 round will. Gun owners need to stick together because divided we`ll all will lose to the gun grabers.

[Adam Lamb]

Allowing others to define a "reasonable firearm" on going to lead to a country without a second amendment.

We all know that "Elk Rifle" is just a euphemism for a "Sniper Rifle" and that "Bedside Handgun" is the "Criminals Weapon of choice." One mans "Duck Gun" is another's "Trench Broom."

"Your humble opinion" is demonstrably defective.

[All of the Bill of Rights, Not just those you like or agree with]

You sir, sound like a shill for Sarah Brady and the VPC.

With your type of arrogance, Daniel Boone would've been forced to use a bow and arrow since his muzzle loader would've been deemed an "assault rifle" by the likes of you.

[Mike T.]

I can't believe a fellow gun owner in this day of unrelenting atacks on all our american rights would say something like this let alone put it in writing. You and your kind will be the end to private gun ownership in america.

Shame on you.

Please tell your editors that I will no longer purchase their publication and I will dispose of all that I see laying in the doctors, dentists, garages, anywhere and unfortunately my fathers end table just to help preserve our constitutional rights that have already been destroyed by fools such as yourself.

Shame on you, you have forever lost a reader.

Stand together or fall apart!!!!!

[Tom F.]

If this magazine/writer wish to be so P.C., I formally request that you remove the "Racks Calender" from this website. Oh, you know someone may be offended by barely clothed females and we don't want to bring negative attention to "huntin'..... We need to stand together to preserve everyone's 2A RIGHTS!!!

[Ben]

"Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms."
-Jim Zumbo

You need to get out more -or better yet, hand over the keyboard to someone else who isn't afraid to experience the other shooting sports that are available. Were hunting to become extinct, the same people who are "terrified" of AR15's would be delighted.

Don't count on the rest of the gun owners to defend hunting if hunters don't defend the 2nd Amendment.

[Yoz]

We are our own worst enemy. I know MANY hunters who use AR's for hunting and what is the difference between an AR that uses a 223 round or a bolt action rifle that uses that same round? because of the looks? So because the gun grabbers find a catch word like "assault rifle" for a semi automatic, How long until they change the term "hunting rifle" to a "Sniper Rifle?" I cannot believe a pro gun person would use the words "Ban" in one of his articles. Very disappointing.

[Gordon Langston]

I hope that Jim will re-consider what he's said. It's fairly easy to be duped by the media sensationalism over firearms into casting an evil personnae on a particular style of rifle. He should note that the last mall killing was shotgun related.

Semi-auto ARs and AKs can do quite well with prairie dogs and believe it or not some states allow them for deer hunting with a magazine limit.

To each his own but let's not allow our 2nd Amendment rights to be abridged because of our cosmetic differences.

Yes, the firearm I was issued while deployed in the middle east was really a "terrorist weapon." The semi-auto version I own at my house, and have taken dozens of bucks with, would have been more at home shooting Israeli children.

That was heavily laden with sarcasm, if you couldn't tell.

This author is just about the dumbest son of a bitch I've ever encountered. These jackass “Elmer Fudd” hunters give everyone that owns a firearm a bad name.

[Nathan]

What despicable ignorance on display. First of all, how could a so-called hunting writer be so far behind the times that he doesn't even realize AR's are popular varmint rifles?

If .223 is an acceptible caliber for varmint hunting, then what difference does it make if it looks like an AR?

You can be comfortable with "assault weapons have no place in hunting", and I'll be comfortable with my rights as an American. If all hunters had your attitude we'd be like England with most all guns outlawed, and self defense outlawed in our own homes. I'm tired of garbage like this from hunting magazines. I'm cancelling my subscription to outdoor life and will advise my father of this magazine's attitude towards our second amendment rights.

You don't need to hunt, go to the grocery store like everyone else.

[Harry]

You are living in a vacuum, and you have no clue.

Should we ban handguns for hunting, too?

[Kevin]

Mr. Zumbo, I really don't care what you think about AR's, my right to own as many as I want is a constitutional right. Ever heard of the 2nd amendment to the American constitution.

You, Sir are the worst enemy of all. The gun owner who sells out other gun owners.

Coward. COWARD is your name.

[Stewart In Oregon]

I am proud to see what others are writing here and I agree 100% with them. You are (now were) a respected outdoor writer and you have a duty to all outdoorsman to protect the second ammendment whether you like the rifle the other guy uses or not.

I shoot thousands of rounds a year through my various ARs and other "tactical" weapons and I am a better, safer, and more accurate marksman for it.

It never fails though that each time I go to the range I see a guy with the average "hunting" rifle totally mishandling the weapon and creating an unsafe shooting environment. Often times they can't hit their target at a reasonable range. We, Mr. Zumbo, refer to them and people like you as Fudds.

So now you know that ARs are accurate and I know that you're a Fudd.

My subscription has been cancelled.

[DaveinMD]

UNBELIEVABLE!

So much for standing together!
You sir,have offended a vast number of sportsmen,gun owners,servicemen,etc with your ignorance.
Maybe you should pick up a copy of Judd Cooney's excellent article from a recent copy of Fur-Fish-Game and read his take on the AR15 as a sporting firearm.Not that our Constitution even makes such a distinction!
You howver,do.Simply amazing!

[96Ag]

I have enjoyed Mr. Zumbo's articles for many years, however, after reading this column I can assure you that I will never purchase another publication with his byline. Likewise I will do my best to avoid any product that has his name attached to it.

People like Mr. Zumbo will be touted as supporters of the "rights" of hunter when the next ban comes around. Hunting is not a part of the 2A and enjoys no protections against the whims of out of control legislatures. I can assure you that I lose more and more respect for "hunters" that would see my rights abridged because of their arrogant disdain for my choice in rifles.

[Jim Perkins]

I was quite dissapointed to read the blast by Jim Zumbo as to his version of what I call a Semi-automatic firearm. I own a Ruger 10/22 and have been told it is also an "Assult Rifle." Now, I'm going to really going to get it. I'm the proud owner of a nice unused 1954 Russian SKS with all milled parts. Let me tell you after some trigger work, it's a tack driver firing at bolt action speed. I may hunt Deer with it using a five round magazine. Note: I'm a one shot kill hunter, there will be no rapid fire. Please Jim, join the Hillary and Brady mob they need you!

[Mark]

When I hear people make such foolish comments as the ones you made in your article one thought comes to mind. If the 2A only pertains to your idea of a "hunting riffle" then I guess the 1A only pertains quill pens and scrolls. I think you need to get yor heada out of the sand sir because obviously you dont fully understand the 2A!!

[2A]

Way to do research before making a retarded comment Zumbo!

[Jason]

I am absolutely amazed at the ignorance displayed in Mr. Zumbo's illogical article posted above.

Rather than continue to voice my displeasure via an anonymous post on an internet blog, I instead feel my time would be better spent addressing my concerns with Remington. Surely they do not condone Mr. Zumbo's anti-gun point of view, but I will most assuredly give them a chance to explain their reaction to this drivel.

[GeorgeInNePa]

Jim is entitled to his opinion, but that is a huge cup of stupid.

Way to fight for someone who like things that you don't.

We are our own worst enemy.

[jace]

Im am very surprised and at the same extremly disappointed, as an avid hunter and collector of firearms that a outdoor writer would bash the appearance of an ar-15, and call it a terrorist weapon. Is the 2nd ammendment nothing to this industry?? why are you giving in to the anti-gun crowd? what is wrong with hunting with a rifle that has the appearance of an assualt rifle? why should the appearance of the gun matter in the case of hunting? I know several folks who hunt deer with an SKS (7.62x39) and even more who hunt coyote and other game with the ar15, and both are excellent choices accordingly. make a stand for all out doorsmen and the 2nd ammendment. Do you actually think that the majority of outdoorsman and hunters would support another gun ban?? no I dont think so. Stand up for our freedoms and stop bashing them. I will nolonger support a magazine or any media that has given in to the anti-gun cause.

[jace]

Im am very surprised and at the same extremly disappointed, as an avid hunter and collector of firearms that a outdoor writer would bash the appearance of an ar-15, and call it a terrorist weapon. Is the 2nd ammendment nothing to this industry?? why are you giving in to the anti-gun crowd? what is wrong with hunting with a rifle that has the appearance of an assualt rifle? why should the appearance of the gun matter in the case of hunting? I know several folks who hunt deer with an SKS (7.62x39) and even more who hunt coyote and other game with the ar15, and both are excellent choices accordingly. make a stand for all out doorsmen and the 2nd ammendment. Do you actually think that the majority of outdoorsman and hunters would support another gun ban?? no I dont think so. Stand up for our freedoms and stop bashing them. I will nolonger support a magazine or any media that has given in to the anti-gun cause.

[Larry M]

I cannot believe that called the AR15 a "terrorist" weapon. It is attitudes like yours that are not needed in the gun world, much less published in a magazine such as this one.

The editors of this magazine are as much to blame as you. You should have been called out on this and they should have refused to publish your article.

Perhaps you should try the AR15 before you print such garbage. You may find that it is just as viable a weapon for sport as the next. Hell you might even enjoy it if you open your closed mind.

Unless a full page apology is printed in the next issue to hit the stands I will never buy another Outdoor Life.

[B.G.]

Wow. Just wow. What are you trying do? What was the goal of that worthless Brady style drivel. Terrorist rifle? How moronic can you be. Just because you don't care for them or are scared of them does not mean the rest of the world is. Only you and "soccor moms" are scared of them.
I cannot believe the that you called the weapon of our military a "terrorist rifle"
Every responsible American should own an AR.

You are truly a clueless moron.Shame on you.

[FlyingPortagee]

Where did you come up with "To most of the public, an Assault Rifle is a terrifying thing" Do you have anything to back that up? Or did you just make that up? In what instance is an Assault Rifle a terrifying thing?

[cyanide]

They should all be banned. Do it for the children.

[Bang-Flop]

The elitest content of this article rivals that of any left wing, "guns must be banned" publication I've ever read!

By your own admission, you have no experience with the AR-15. If you had bothered to actually ever hunt with one, or even just punch paper your opinion could, and probably would be more favorable. Your comments would certainly be more credible if you had ever used the AR.

When Eugene Stoner created the AR he created a firearm with a modular platform, and there-in is one of the major benefits of the AR. By simply changing upper receivers, one can go from the .223, to a 6.8, the new .204, or a myriad of other calibers. These calibre changes can be accomplished in about 3 minutes.

I also call myself a hunter, but that's all you and I share. I hunt 2-3 times per week for prairie dogs, and coyotes, and use the AR-15 exclusively. I own other firearms I could use, but prefer the AR-15 for some of the reasons stated.

I suggest you get an AR-15 and actively use it for a month. If you do, and find you like it, and see the merits it has as a hunting firearm, will you be man enough to write a retraction of this uninformed article?

[John Cazoway]

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of bolt-action, magazine-fed, multi-shot, smokeless-cartridge centerfire rifles with high-power sniper scopes (see picture at top of page) have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "murderous sniper" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist long-range carnage" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing murderous sniper rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use magazine-fed / multi-shot / smokeless-cartridge / centerfire / optically-enhanced rifles. We've always been proud of our "muzzle loading single-shot flintlocks."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, a murderous sniper rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.

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It sounds a little outrageous from this perspective, doesn't it?

It appears that you have fallen for the manipulative braying of the Brady and VPC crowd and have allowed yourself to be become a tool in their gun-banning plans. If you continue down the divisive path you have started on and continue to help the gun-grabbers implement their agenda, in the end you will be one of those who is responsible for denying your great-grandchildren the pleasures of hunting with a fine firearm of any type.

Once the the gun-grabbers have finished with the so-called "assault weapons", they will be coming for your bolt-action "sniper rifles", and then your "magazine-fed, multi-shot" rifles (including lever and pump actions), and finally all "high-power" centerfire rifles, even the single-shot rifles. Is this the legacy you want to leave?

Fortunately, it isn't too late to reverse your thinking and take a stand to preserve the heritage you care for so deeply by defending the 2nd Amendment in its entirety. After all, the 2nd Amendment is not, and never has been, about protecting the right to hunt. It is a about the much more basic human right of self-defense.

Thus, I urge you to re-think your knee-jerk emotional reaction against an artificially classified group of firearms that you perceive to be "terrifying", and work to unite instead of divide. Please, remember that we stand together or hang alone.

[Thomas P. Randall]

Judas.

[mark lindell]

i will never read or buy outdoor life magazine again .

[mark lindell]

i will never read or buy outdoor life magazine again .

[Craig]

Mr. Zumbo,

I am greatly disturbed by your comments above, concerning the AR 15. I am an avid AR user. I have a switch barrel system, that is chambered for 22LR, 556, 6x45 and 458 Socom. I have used the various calibers hunting large and small game, in Colorado and New Mexico. I am an ethical hunter who cherishes my time afield, much like you, from what I have gathered from watching your television show for the last 2 years. My sister-in-law just presented me with one of your signed pictures from the last SHOT show. Basically, I have considered myself a fan of your efforts over the years, promoting hunting through your various outlets.

While I respect your opinion regarding AR's for hunting, I am afraid that I have to strongly disagree. As you stated that your opinion has no basis in experience, I would suggest that your reaction and opinion is of the knee jerk variety, common to anti-gunners and anti-hunters. There will always exist divisions within the hunting fraternity regarding, choice of weapon, fair chase, trophy hunting and the like, but I like to think that we are all still family, fighting to protect our love of hunting and the outdoors. You would call me a terrorist because I choose to hunt with the same rifle that I might use to defend myself? Because it is black, and semiautomatic? How is this different than the bird hunter who might use his black semiauto Remington shotgun as a home defense weapon? The gun ownership and hunting heritage in this country is completey unique and special. They always have been one and the same. I am truely sorry that you cannot see the connection. And I am greatly disturbed that you have taken what should be considered an honest debate between ethical hunters to this level of disparagment.

I would heartily encourage you to spend some time afield with someone who could help enlighten you as to the use of the AR for hunting and varminting. You could then at least formulate an educated opinion. I would welcome any ethical hunter to my campfire, to cuss and discuss things. That debate is part of what makes hunting enjoyable. But to be called a terroist for my choice of weapon, by someone who has zero knowledge of what he talks about, is just plain wrong, on so many levels.

Craig

[Chris Baynes]

I just saw this and to be honest, I am aghast. I have read Jim Zumbo's articles on his experiences for years--since I was old enough to hunt-- and have greatly admired this man and his work and exploitations.

Now I am seriously dissapointed with his generalizations on shooters and firearms with respect to "assault" rifles and the shooters who use them. This article really shows a lack of understanding, education, and a total disrespect for fellow gun owners--hunters or not.

Before making such caustic and ignorant statements, I would have thought, a worldly politically aware, Jim Zumbo would have done at least precursory research on the matter and made himself more qualifed to make such statments on the matter. He obviously does not even know or has been exposed to the inherent accuracy of the AR15 platform. In this day and age of gun control and dissappearing hunting lands, we all need to stick together and realize that we all have a similar risk at stake. Giving some (firearms)control away here or there is simply not acceptable--even though it may preserve our own particular niche in a gun owning society.

I am heart heavy to know now that someone I have admired for so many years would make such statements as these.

Sad day indeed.

[Chris Baynes]

I just saw this and to be honest, I am aghast. I have read Jim Zumbo's articles on his experiences for years--since I was old enough to hunt-- and have greatly admired this man and his work and exploitations.

Now I am seriously dissapointed with his generalizations on shooters and firearms with respect to "assault" rifles and the shooters who use them. This article really shows a lack of understanding, education, and a total disrespect for fellow gun owners--hunters or not.

Before making such caustic and ignorant statements, I would have thought, a worldly politically aware, Jim Zumbo would have done at least precursory research on the matter and made himself more qualifed to make such statments on the matter. He obviously does not even know or has been exposed to the inherent accuracy of the AR15 platform. In this day and age of gun control and dissappearing hunting lands, we all need to stick together and realize that we all have a similar risk at stake. Giving some (firearms)control away here or there is simply not acceptable--even though it may preserve our own particular niche in a gun owning society.

I am heart heavy to know now that someone I have admired for so many years would make such statements as these.

Sad day indeed.

[B.G.]

I will never puchase outdoor life again either.

Unless I need some "terrorist" viagra.

[David M. Fortier]

You are very much a part of the cancer infecting our great country.

A closed minded ignorant fool, you obviously have no idea what is at stake.

David M. Fortier
InterMedia Outdoors
Field Editor
Shooting Times
RifleShooter
Shotgun News
Combat Arms
Guns&Ammo TV

[B.G.]

Thank you David Fortier.
Good man.

[pvc]

It saddens me that you would consider publishing this garbage. The .223 is a very common round to hunt with. Ar-15's may "look" different to your traditional bolt action, but they fuction very much the same. Ar-15's are designed to accomodate a variety of different people, men and women alike. They were made to shoot comfortably and accurately. Rifles, in general, are not made for hunting. They are made to shoot. The 2nd Amendment wasn't designated for hunting either, it specifies that all Americans have the "right to keep and bear arms." I hope you think about what you have written and try be opened minded about different options to shooting. You may find that you enjoy shooting these sporting rifles, because "we indeed are in the same fraternity...As they say, different strokes for different folks. Enjoy it however you hunt." God Bless.

[Ryan]

Mr. Zumbo, I grew up in a liberal-dominated town. I can tell you right now that the left-leaning public perception of hunters is not a positive one. Show the average person in my town a picture of a Remington 700, and they'll immediately associate it with a "sniper rifle". Most people don't delve into our sport, and their only perceptions are ones the media present to them.

There's no problem with you having an opinion. However, I DO have a problem with the fact that you call for a ban on weapons you don't agree with. It's depressing to see the division between "hunter" and "shooter" show so clearly.

[Groucho Marxist]

You've GOT to be out of your mind.

Why don't you just go ahead and join up with the anti-gun organizations, Mr. Zumbo?

To my mind, the situation is utterly clear: If you're not FOR ALL OF OUR GUN RIGHTS, THEN YOU'RE AGAINST SOME OF THEM.

You of all people should know better than to categorize a rifle by its looks. An AR-15 is functionally just like any other rifle. The important part is merely that it is a rifle, and while the .223 round it fires may indeed be inadequate for hunting many sorts of larger game, it's a lightweight, reliable rifle that's usually VERY accurate and they're a LOT of fun to shoot.

Emphasis on accuracy: I have been to the range during the run-up to deer season many times, and seen "hunters" (and I use the term loosely" set up at the bench, shoot five rounds at a target 50 yards away, bring in their target, see that their five rounds are all within a six to ten inch circle, smile at each other, congratulate each other at their great shooting, declare themselves ready for dear season, and pack up...until they stop and stare at me with my plain jane Bushmaster XM-15E2 (M16A2 lookalike) as I'm blowing dime sized five
shot groups through my targets at 100 yards,
repeatedly and consistently. And this is
out of an UNACCURIZED, box stock rifle with good reloads.

Of course, these blued steel and walnut loving, bolt-gun carrying "hunters" may not see why I would use "that kind of gun" but
once I go out and bring my targets back and
tally up my scores, and they see them, then
they just HAVE to try out my rifle.

Not once has one of these gentlemen failed
to get a big grin on his face when he sees
how much fun this type of rifle is to shoot
and how accurate they are. They often go
out and buy one for themselves. And since
they're cheap to shoot, they shoot more
often and improve their marksmanship no matter what they're shooting.

Some of your boltgun buddies may have an AR in their gun safes, and I'd bet you a dollar that they'd sooner give up their bolt guns than give up their EBR's. (Evil Black Rifles.)

Heck, if there were terrorists in my area and it came down to citizens like me to engage them, I'd MUCH rather rely on my AR than on a bolt rifle. It's a more useful and versatile type of rifle, very utilitarian.

And finally, ALL of us who love shooting HAVE to stick together these days. Make no mistake, the anti-gunners don't want SOME of the guns banned, they want them ALL banned. If you think otherwise, you're delusional.

They'll succeed in getting something banned first by demonizing it. Don't fall for their trap and think for yourself. Buy or borrow yourself an AR or other EBR and learn that it's pure shooting goodness, no more and no less evil than any other inanimate lump of steel, aluminum, plastic, and wood.

Don't become an unwitting stooge for the anti-gunners. Support ALL aspects of the shooting sports and ALL types of firearms ownership. Because to do otherwise is to invite the total loss of ALL our firearms rights to a bunch of people who simply don't think straight and can't see the benefit of an armed society.

[Brian B..]

Mr. Zumbo:

I am shocked! How does a man of your background came to such an inane (insane?) conclusion that the AR-15 is useless for hunting and a most especially a "terrorist rifle"?

The .223 is a .223 regardless of what rifle it comes out of! Great for some uses, and not others... For what it's worth, I've seen several AR-15s capable of shooting sub-MOA. (Last time I checked, that's plenty good for varmint hunting...)

Most of my thoughts have already been stated, but the bottom line is the Second Amendment isn't about hunting! The drivel in your statements helps nobody but the antis!

- My Remington .30-06 isn't a sniper rifle (but could be classified as such).
- My .357 Ruger GP-100 isn't a "law enforcement only" revolver (but could be classified that way)
- My 1" Muzzy broadheads aren't "too accurate/extreme" (YET)
- My flash hider, collapsible stock, and magzines WERE classified illegal (Happily, that day has temporarily passed for most of us... there are a few sad exceptions)

We could go on and on with multiple examples, but hopefully you appreciate how wrong your thinking is, and I hope you rethink your position.

Brian B.

Proud AR owner/user

[S]

"But bottom line, whatever we hunt with, and however far we elect to shoot, we indeed are in the same fraternity. We need to keep sight of the objective ....being outdoors, challenging the quarry, and bringing home the game when we're successful. As they say, different strokes for different folks. Enjoy it, however you hunt"

Wonder who said that?

Guess whoever did, didn't really mean it.

[Brad Benson]

I have an AR-15 and I use it for hunting both coyotes and small game such as squirrel & rabbit. Before you get excited and scream terrorist, or get high & mighty and proclaim that it will leave nothing left of the game allow me to explain.

The .223 is a common varmint round, and the AR is known to be an exceptionally accurate platform. In this role, it works great for coyotes. The high capacity magazines that are sneered at are great for allowing quick follow-up shots. If you think this is "spray & pray", then you insult someone whom who have never met - a trait considered to be immature and foolish.

For small game, a conversion kit turns the .223 rifle into a .22LR rifle in about 15 seconds. Same accuracy and ease of use, but in the worlds most popular caliber, and with far better ergonomics than the popular Ruger 10/22.

As far as the beauty aspect, it is in the eye of the beholder but....does it really matter? I've seen some really pretty guns held by the most butt-ugly of hunters. Either way, I don't think the game is impressed by how the rifle looks.

[Steve]

Dear Jim ,
I hate to say it but .......DONT come back to Wyoming . I see the hunters hear every year shoot their 10 rounds and head afield . I shoot 4000 plus rounds a year out of my M1A assault rifle with a 20 round mag . I have filled my tag for the past 4 years using this weapon with IRON SIGHTS . The farthest was a pronghorn at 350 yrds . 1 Shot . I may not have a use for your pre 64 whinchester sniper rifle , or your Purdy shotgun . BUT I'm not going to say ban them .
WE need to STAND together . YOU sir are creating a gap that will be the end of shooting and hunting altogether .
Go to Camp Perry this year .......and Learn how to shoot before you open your pie hole .
In the mean time STAY THE HELL out of MY state .

[b]

subscription cancelled

scumbag

no better then feinsteim

Jim Zumbo belongs in europe. There is no room left for shitstains like you in my great country. Get the fuck out. Get out now. May posterity forget you, and may your elitist mindset shield you from the saliva of our great ancestors, as they surely spit upon you from heaven.

[John Hibberd]

I wish they would ban sniper rifles too....I mean your bolt gun.

[Jim]

"Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms.""

Sir ,you are just plain Ignorant.
The Politician who want to Take away our
guns DON'T CARE what type they are.

After they finish with the AR and AK owners,
They will be coming for YOUR guns.

[Dave Geisert, Gunnery Sergeant, USMC]

"United States Constitution,
Bill of Rights, Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Nope....I don't see anything that protects legal hunting implements in that statement.

A semiauto rifle is a semiauto rifle, regardless of whether the stocks are wood or plastic, aesthetic or utilitarian. Trying to appease the antis by restricting our choice of rifle based on cosmetic features is futile. Forget it, they won't be appeased until firearms and hunting are extinct.

Our Grandpas likely learned to shoot using their M1903 service rifles on a military range. They later used those same surplus rifles to harvest game.

Today's US serviceman is taught to shoot using an M-16, even in places like your old hunting grounds at USMA West Point, Jim. He's trained to know how to safely and accurately use that rifle. NFA and game laws often preclude his using a real M-16, but why can't he use a legal semi auto rifle, that is only ergonomically similar to his M-16, to hunt?

The rifles you ascribe to having terrorist qualities are used in long range, iron sight competition at Camp Perry, by both civilian and military competitors.

No one has changed legal magazine capacity or minimum caliber rules in game law to accomodate these new rifles. The shooting community, as a whole, would be best served by ensuring that these types of rifles are also seen in positive use in the game fields of America.

To quote John Dickinson (1768) "Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all, By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall; In so righteous a cause let us hope to succeed, For heaven approves of each generous deed."

I'm with Jim

There’s no rhyme or reason to have civilians with this type of firepower. It’s not something that you could ever possibly justify. It’s insanity and it doesn’t fit in society in any way.

[Colonel Arbour]

Mr. Zumbo, You sir are part of the problem. You willingness to turn your back on fellow gun enthusiast is repugnant and vile. When the gun haters come after your "long range sniper rifle" you will know what the "sport utility rifle" crowd is feeling right now.

Shame on you sir. I reguard you with contempt for your statements.

Good day.

[Paul Vargas]

"I'm with Jim

There’s no rhyme or reason to have civilians with this type of firepower. It’s not something that you could ever possibly justify. It’s insanity and it doesn’t fit in society in any way.
"

Too bad that pesky US Constiution that you swore an oath to says otherwise.

[Kevin]

I think it's time to let Remington know what kind of a scumbag traitor you are.

I know I'll make sure they get the message that people like you are hurting their business.

Why don't you ban any caliber over 22LR. You know you may miss your game and launch that bullet into space and shoot down the space shuttle by acident. You need to get a clue.

[Bruce. G. II]

Nobody has to justify anything to you Dave.
It's our constitional right. Do you not understand that? An AR is no more powerfull than any other semi rifle. How un-American of you.

[Mark Wiesner]

What a crock, subscription cancelled for sure. I'll never allow this magazine in my home again. You do a disservice to all shooters and to all americans. I have sold my Remington 700 to purchase a DPMS LR308 ( looks just like the "terrorist" AR15 ) and I'll be hunting deer this year with it. I carried an M16 in the service of my country and I've earned the right to own the civilian version and hunt with it as I please. I guess since I'm not a magazine writer I dont know any better.

Please don't hunt in Oregon, we can hunt with our AR15s here.

[M Johnson]

""sport utility rifle"

I prefer the term "Homeland Defense Rifle"

You cannot be against Homeland Defense Rifles witout being against Homeland Defense.

[An American]

Quote:

""I'm with Jim

There’s no rhyme or reason to have civilians with this type of firepower. It’s not something that you could ever possibly justify. It’s insanity and it doesn’t fit in society in any way.""
End Quote

Isn't that what the British said at Lexington Green in 1775?

[P Vargas]

Ooops, Sorry Dave

Sig block is below the post, not above.

[Jerry/Michigan]

I hunt coyotes and fox with my AR15. My rifle is as accurate as most bolt guns and provides a quick followup shot in order to guarantee humane kills. Tell me what is wrong with that? Stop trying to divide shooters and stop decrying legal weapons.

[Tracy]

Sir, I find your comments ignorant and distasteful. Why you would give fuel to the morons that want to take your "sniper rifle" just as badly as my "assault rifle" is beyond me! I hope you will have the good sense to recant your arrogant and misguided remarks.

[John_Wayne777]

Jim, I hate to break this to you, but the bolt action and lever action rifles you seem to like are yesterday's "assault" weapons.

I suppose we should ban using those too?

And while we are at it, what's with all this use of military cartridges and calibers? Time to ban the hunting use of the .223, the .308, the .30-06, the .300 Winchester Magnum....All of which are armor piercing to boot!

The last thing we want is to frighten the public by using high-powered military calibers when killing game!

And one more thing....I have been hunting for a few decades now, and I have seen quite a number of irresponsible hunters and to a man they have all been packing bolt actions and lever actions.

If the weapon itself promotes irresponsible behavior, then obviously the bolt and lever action weapons need to go!

For the children....

[NeverKnowsBest]

subscription canceled

You make me sick.

[MudBug]

I agree, I'm also not comfortable with people like yourself that hunt with these highly accurized "SNIPER" rifles.

Did you know that you can kill a man at 1000 yards with those things? Hell, and they shoot bullets that can cut right through the body armor that our Law Enforcement protectors wear while making our streets safe.

Hunting with them also is not very sporting. Much like they Assault Rifle killers that wander the woods throwing lead every where is not sporting, a man with one of the super accurate "Sniper" rifles in calibers like 22-50, 243, 270, 308 (a known sniper round), 30-06, and 300 win don't even have to stalk their game. They can shoot them from 700 yards away. How is that sporting?

I say we ban everything but the old Kentucky rifle, that will get us back to the roots of the sport without endangering any babies.

[Steve C.]

I'm deeply saddened that a seemingly knowledgable sporting authority would construct such a devisive and destructive tool such as this article. I will undoubtedly ponder for days whether it is Mr. Zumbo, or the editorial staff of Outdoor Life who has their head further up their rear end.

Outdoor Life, you have your work cut out for you to bring me back after this blunder.

[John B]

Short sighted. Narrow minded.

Just plain ignorant.

[JLH3]

I will never read or buy Outdoor Life magazine again. I think it's time they pulled your column. You've obviously reached that Jimmmy the Greek/Howard Cosell age where you say stupid things.

[Fred W]

Dear Mr. Zumbo,

I am terribly disappointed by your latest blog entry entitled "Assault Rifles for Hunters?" By calling for a ban on so-called assault weapons, you have placed himself squarely in the camp of Brady/VPC firearms prohibitionists.

I suspect that you hope to protect the firearms you enjoy using by offering up a sacrifice of firearms that you do not use. Unfortunately, this sort of parochial thinking will backfire. The gun-grabbers will not be satisfied with banning just "assault weapons". Once their appetite is whetted by a successful assault weapons ban, they will use the momentum to redouble their efforts to ban all firearms, including bolt-actions ("sniper rifles"), lever and pump-actions ("repeating rifles"), handguns ("concealable street-crime guns") and even single-shot centerfire rifles ("high-powered, armor-piercing cartridge rifles").

Make no mistake, those who wish to gut our 2nd Amendment rights are serious, and if unchecked they will not stop at any one arbitrarily defined class of firearms. They wish to ban all firearms, including those commonly used in our hunting heritage.

Mr. Zumbo, you decided to make a deal with the devil, one that will harm us all. As short-sighted as I believe your thinking is, you do have a right, as an American, to express your opinion. But I urge you to reconsider your viewpoint, and even if you personally dislike so-called "assault weapons", do not use your position in the media as a bully pulpit to further your harmful agenda.

As others have said, we hang together or hang alone.

[Fred W]

Dear Mr. Zumbo,

I am terribly disappointed by your latest blog entry entitled "Assault Rifles for Hunters?" By calling for a ban on so-called assault weapons, you have placed yourself squarely in the camp of Brady/VPC firearms prohibitionists.

I suspect that you hope to protect the firearms you enjoy using by offering up a sacrifice of firearms that you do not use. Unfortunately, this sort of parochial thinking will backfire. The gun-grabbers will not be satisfied with banning just "assault weapons". Once their appetite is whetted by a successful assault weapons ban, they will use the momentum to redouble their efforts to ban all firearms, including bolt-actions ("sniper rifles"), lever and pump-actions ("repeating rifles"), handguns ("concealable street-crime guns") and even single-shot centerfire rifles ("high-powered, armor-piercing cartridge rifles").

Make no mistake, those who wish to gut our 2nd Amendment rights are serious, and if unchecked they will not stop at any one arbitrarily defined class of firearms. They wish to ban all firearms, including those commonly used in our hunting heritage.

Mr. Zumbo, you decided to make a deal with the devil, one that will harm us all. As short-sighted as I believe your thinking is, you do have a right, as an American, to express your opinion. But I urge you to reconsider your viewpoint, and even if you personally dislike so-called "assault weapons", do not use your position in the media as a bully pulpit to further your harmful agenda.

As others have said, we hang together or hang alone.

[PBIR]

JZ,

With all due respect I feel compelled to point out that you have fallen prey to yellow journalism. The media loves to erroneously label certain rifles "assault rifles" when in fact they merely look like their military counterparts.

True assault rifles are capable of being fired fully automatic. In other words, you press the trigger and the firearm keeps shooting until you release the trigger or the magazine runs dry.

99% of the so-called "assault rifles" we see in America merely look like those weapons. When it comes to functionality they are not fully automatic, they are semi-automatic. In other words, you pull the trigger & send one round downrange. The weapon will not fire again until you release the trigger and pull it a second time.

You tell me, are you going to assault an enemy pillbox with that?

The M16's/M4's our (USA) military uses are chambered in a 5.56 round. This equates to .223 in standard caliber. We used to use .30-06 and then .308, both of which are far more powerful. That's right, at least one of your hunting rifles is probably chambered in a caliber designed for military use, and that round is far more powerful the these so-called "assault rifles".

People, let's not get hung up on looks. All firearms are deadly when misused. A trained man can do more damage with a scoped .308 remington 700 or a 870 shotgun than some nutjob with an ak47 in many instances. Instead let's close ranks and defend the 2nd amendment, and let's work to educate people on firearms. Let's support punishing criminals not firearms owners. Let's get some common sense back in America. Thank you for reading.

[Jimmy Hoffa]

I am offended by you publicly calling my rifles "terrorist rifle". For one thing, you are SOOOO ignorant that you think the "terrorist" use the AR15, try reading a history book for once, the US military uses them, not terrorist. Are you calling our men/women in uniform "TERRORIST"????????
As others have stated, many people (the media) call your bolt gun a "sniper rifle", how do you like that? I used to subscribe to outdoor life, but I for sure will never subscribe or buy one again. I refuse to pay for rubbish written by ignorant people like Jim Zumbo. You are a plague on the american firearms community.

[BFLH]

I suppose you will allow me to depict every AR-15 rifle shooter's exasperation at seeing a "Fudd" appear at the range. You may be familiar with the type: Hunting orange cap, denim or flannel shirt, and carrying an old, rusty, wood-stocked rifle that hasn't seen a cleaning rod in decades.

You see, this character only comes to the range the weekend before opening day, a wad of tobacco lodged firmly in his cheek as he cranks off three rounds at a paper plate stapled hastily at the 50 yard mark. He hits only twice, and poorly, but says "Good enough" and ambles back to his pickup after giving the AR-toting shooter a long, hostile glare.

This man is as much a stereotype as the shooters you so ignorantly and sanctimoniously depict in your self-serving and foolishly written article.

I suppose you aren't familiar with the high-power shooters who compete nationally with these evil rifles, printing groups so small, at such dazzlingly distant targets, that your ancient, bias-crusted eyes would cross as you attempted to reconcile how something so vulgar could achieve a feat you could not on your best day.

Enjoy your rifle while you can. As I'm sure others have posted, it's only a matter of time before they come for your "high-powered scoped sniper rifle".

With this one article, you have done a greater disservice to the shooting community than you could ever have imagined. Its message rivals that of the most rabid anti-gun protester.

I would very much like an email in response, but I doubt you have the courage.

BFLH

[LarryG]

First, you make this dumbass remark:

"I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people".

Yeah, it may upset some people because a semiautomatic rifle is not an assault rifle, period. Even some others that have responded have called their semiauto an assault rifle and an M1A would not be considered an assault rifle because it's cartridge does not follow the criteria for the definition of an assault rifle.

An assault rifle must be capable of firing more than one round per trigger squeeze, period, so Mr. Zumbo, you have bought into the anti-gun pukes definitions. Will you buy into their lies when they term all bolt action centerfire rifles as sniper rifles? They have already started that crap, but you won't see that until it is too late.

Besides, I have yet to see the word "hunting" in the Second Amendment. You can now consider yourself lumped in with the likes of Diane Fienstein, Chucky Shumer, Hillary Clinton, and Sarah Brady. Thank you for showing your true colors. We don't need gun owners like you.

[Chuck R.]

Why do people feel the need to own assault type weapons? Law enforcement and military should be the only people allowed to own them. They were designed to kill people not animals.

[A Teenage Firearms Owner]

Mr. Zumbo, as a teenager who enjoys both hunting and your so called "Assault Rifles" you sicken me. Your willingness to sell out your fellow shooters endangers your precious "Hunting Guns" just as much as it endangers my AR-15's and AK's.

As an older shooter your responsiblity shoud be to grow the next generation of shooters instead of divide the shooting community. Instead of giving ammo to gun grabbers like Sarah Brady perhapse you should ask yourself what will happen once the ATF kicks down my door and shoots my dog. What guns will they go after next? Probably your lever actions with 5 round "Clips."

And the no were in the 2nd ammendment do I see any provision for "Hunting Guns." Instead I see provisions for individuals to own "Assault Rifles" to protect this great country. Because your hunting rifles serve no purpose in defending the homeland I will immediatly call my congress critter and ask that they support a resolution to ban dangerous "Hunting Guns" that are not covered by 2nd ammendment. If you are willing to sell me out that I will do the same to you sir. In this fight "We must all hang together or we shall all hang seperately."

I will be informing all of my friends that your so called "Outdoors Magazine" is a worthless rag suited more for the outhouse than my living room. Consider my subscription canceled.

[Bogie]

Some folks just don't like the combination of ergonomics and accuracy that a well-built AR-platform rifle provides.

Now go look up Jim Carmichael, and tell him that Bogie has invited you to shoot a nicely accurate AR-platform rifle. It's not going to win any of the benchrest matches (from where I know Jim...), but it _is_ accurate enough for prairie dog elimination, and it's fun to shoot.

Oh, and my _other_ prairie dog gun is a twenty pound .220 Russian... It's a trifle more interesting, but hey...

[Tuna]

I use a Ar10(308) for hunting it is the same a as any AUTO loading rifle. It is very good shooting weapon. I use a five round magazine( it is law here in Fla.) like most auto loading rifles have. I DONT SPRAY AND PRAY with it. Hell I have passed up alot of game with it. A so called assault rifle is just another gun that just looks different. Tuna

[Ross F.]

Others have already said it all. Some in brief, some in detail. I am with them and against you.

[ar15moto]

It's called a fucking MAGAZINE, not a clip.
Unless you are using a Garand.

[Bigfatts]

You know, I've heard that the gun owner's worst enemy is the gun owner, I never understood that until now. I will not buy another Outdoor Life until some type of retraction or apology is made.

[Ballisticbill]

Mr. Zumbo, you haven't heard of using AR's for varmints? I am disappointed in your lack of firearms knowledge. I have watched your shows from day 1, I will do so no longer. I am not a hardcore "assault weapon" owner but I do own a few AR-15's along with dozens of traditional weapons and to alienate a segment of the hunting community because you don't like it, I find appalling.

http://www.ballisticbill.com/PD%20Video.htm

[Vincent]

I cannot believe anyone thats so in the public eye with reguards to the shooting sports could be so dimwhited. You sir have hurt more than you will ever know. As I shoot high power service rifle AND 2 and 3 gun tactical competitions I find your narrow view or the other shooting sports disturbing. Unlike you sir who parlay in front of the camera a few weeks a year I myself shoot EVERY month. I am an RSO for our local tactical shooting league and we are trying to promote the shooting sports by allowing the use of sporting rifles in our venue. You would best be advised to talk or write about what you know and keep the rest to yourself.

as for Outdoor life magazine--SHAME ON YOU!!!

Remington Arms--keep your discount coupon I'm buying a Savage

[ar15moto]

Anyone else see the big bad hunter using a "high-powered-rifle with a sniper-scope" attached to it in the header picture of this article?

What's a matter fag boy, iron sights and a blunderbuss don't cut it for you?

Where's the sport in using a high-powered-rifle and a sniper-scope to kill an animal from a distance of more than 50 yards?

[PJK]

Zumbo - You are nothing less than a Complete Moron. You are a disgrace.

Take your opinions and stuff them where they belong.

You have forever lost all credibility.

[Paul Vargas]

"Why do people feel the need to own assault type weapons? Law enforcement and military should be the only people allowed to own them. They were designed to kill people not animals.
"

Chuck, the Bolt Action rifle was designed orginally to kill people. The Lever Action Henry, the orginal lever action was designed to kill people.

Most popular Hunting and Handgun Cartridges were designed to kill people originally or derive from one that was.

30-06, .308, 8mm Mauser, .223 Remmington, .357 Magnum, 45-70, 45 ACP and every cartridge derived from those cases such as .270 and .243 which are just about about every non-magnum centerfire cartridge in existence.

Perhaps every firearm except the shotgun was designed to originally to kill people. Do you think that fact is of any cold comfort to those people massacred in that Utah mall shooting last week by that 12 guage Shotgun weilding Bosnia Muslim?

Even the Muzzleloader was designed to kill people too.

Do you have a point or are you simply that ignorant?

Perhaps Chuck, it is the person and not the weapon that makes the killer.

[John Sutton]

I think real sportsmen should distance themselves from the assault rifle crowd. They are going to end up getting all our guns banned. If they can't hunt with a bolt action rifle then they shouldn't be hunting at all.

John

[ar15moto]

Fucking fudd gunners......

[Jeff A.]

Mr. Zumbo,

Quite frankly, your article demonstrates the connection between stupidity and gun bans. You don't like the way they look so you want to ban them. Well, they look the way they do for a very good reason. They are designed to defend home and hearth against evil men, an eminently more noble purpose than hunting which, while fun, is not an inalienable human right. Now, the things which make an AR a good self-defense rifle do not detract from its ability to accurately place rounds down target, which is what one needs for hunting. Quite to the contrary, its ergonomics make it easier to shoot accurately. In addition, the lack of an op rod makes it more accurate than most other semi-automatic designs. Quite simply, a man who uses such a weapon is hardly a terrorist. He has simply accepted that technology progresses and has pragmatically chosen a weapon suited to defense as well as hunting. We used to call that "being smart."

Secondly, your motives for hating modern weapons are completely off base. Trying to discourage these weapons to appease the gun banners simply doesn't work. They are motivated by each victory to go after more and more firearms. Case in point, after the AWB was passed, did they stop? No, they kept trying to restrict more and more semi-autos, and succeeded in several state governments (such as California and New York). In contrast, when we stood together and stopped them from banning handguns back in the 1980s, they gave up on that and went after what they saw as easier targets.

In short, anyone who wants to protect their sport is better served by standing with their fellow gun owners and defending our sacred rights, rather than trying to lick the hands of those who would be our masters.

We would like to thank Mr. Zumbo for his unsolicited support of our agenda. He truly understands that we are only after these senseless killing machines and will NEVER come after his beloved high-powered snipe- err, HUNTING rifle- unless, of course, they were to present a problem, too. We who are for "reasonable" gun control are appreciative of such individuals as Mr. Dumbo, as he does more to further our cause than we could ever hope for. Thanks, Mr. Zumbo!

Sincerely;

Sarah Brady
John Kerry
Ted Kennedy
Diane Feinstein
Nancy Pelosi
Charles Shumer

[ar15moto]

Hey jackass fuckstick Paul Vargas, "assault weapon" is a liberal term.

You a liberal?

[WB*aka*Soylent]

I have personally been forced to take cover from unsafe people running amok in the woods. Not once, but twice in my life has this happened. On several other occasions, while not having to physically take cover I have been witness to volleys of fire that would rival the hardest of fighting in any war. On every one of these occasions, the fire has been from what you term as "sporting firearms" from what you euphamistically call "hunters". I have never had so much as a single round that might remotely be called close from anyone with one of your "terror" weapons. Incidentally, while my AR-15 may *look* like a military issue firearm, it certainly is not. Yet, the "sporterized" mauser bolt action I have chambered in .30-06 that I got in a trade from my father was indeed once upon a time a military issued weapon, and not to the good guys either. Huh. Imagine that.

[Silicon Wolverine]

And the divide between hunters and shooters grows another foot wider. Thanks Jim.

[N. Pelosi]

Way to go Mr. Zumbo! Thank you so very much for falling for...I mean standing up for our cause. Your check is in the mail. See you at the DNC...your front row seat is reserved!

-Nancy :D

[Hillery Clinton]

Sofa King We Todd Ed

[shield20]

Are you shitting me? This anti-gun drivel is from a "gun guy"? VERY surprised to learn my 20" heavy barrel Bushmaster is a terrorist weapon, with no place in the field, at the range, or even in my gun safe. Surprised to learn my SA vesion of the same m4s & M16s I have shot at West Point are actually terrorist weapons. Also surprised to learn from others who should know better that 'there is no place for that type of firepower in the hands of civilians'...Semper Fi Mack! THAT is EXACTLY the type of firepower that should be in OUR hands, and for very good reasons - that is what the Constitution you supposedly took an oath to support and defend is all about. I know I took my oath seriously, and damn well knew & UNDERSTOOD what it meant!

Whether for self defense, common defense, for pursuit of game, for pursuit of happiness and to protect property - OUR right (ALL of ours), OUR choice! Sheesh :(

[White Knight]

@ Mr. Dumbo

You have no idea what you are talking about. When they come for your hunting guns for all I care they can have them. You and your fudds have sold me out so I will return the favor. Fuck you asshole.

@ Outdoor Life

Seeing how you have allowed this worthless crap to be sperad by those who write for you magazine you may consider my subscription canceled. Fuck you.

@ Remington

Seeing how you have bought and payed for this drivel you may take your .17 cal Spitfire and shove it up your ass. My money will no longer go to your products, I'll stick with those who make Evil Black Rifles and know what the shooting sports are all about. Fuck You.

[AndyC]

I'm a hunter and will pretty much discount whatever Zumbo says from now on. You just made Dave Petzal seem intelligent.

There are few bolt guns that are as intrinsically accurate as an AR. It's actually, to me, the ideal coyote gun, mine is outfitted with a flattop and a Nikon scope. Great varmint outfit for $600.

Wow. I've always respected your articles and opinions.
Till now.
You really pissed off a lot of people with that idiotic statement, ahem, article, ahem, tripe.
You've stated an opinion on so called assualt rifles". Now, please allow me my opinion on your "sporting" rifle.
Do you really find pleasure in vaporizing a rodent at 500 yards? Wow, that must be quite a rush. You seem to derive a great deal of satisfaction doing that.
You must take great pride in owning and maintaining a quality piece of equipment and in being more than capable of making a difficult shot at distance.
Now, take that pride in skill and equipment and transfer that over to my area of expertise - owning, hunting and skillfully shooting a military grade firearm, in this case a Bushmaster XM-15 E2S, an AR-15 to you.
This same weapon in select fire version (3 shot burst and full auto in some cases)is carried by thousands of US servicemen and women today. Are you calling them terrorists? Is that where your mindset is at?
That seems to be what your saying.
You should immediatly and without delay apoligize to the US Serviceman, right now. After that, you should resign your position as a so called Sports writer.
Oh, by the way, my subscription to Outdoor life will be cancelled first thing Tuesday morning. I refuse to help pay for a sponsor of your assinine opinions. Gregg K.

Notice the signature is BELOW the post, not above. You guys are commenting about the wrong guys posts!!!!

[aquabump]

Yes, and while we're at it let's ban those high-powered sniper rifles that hunters pass off as sporting firearms. There's no need for that kind of firepower in civilian hands. Subscription to OL canceled.

[Drew]

subscription cancelled

[LarryG]

"Why do people feel the need to own assault type weapons? Law enforcement and military should be the only people allowed to own them. They were designed to kill people not animals."

This remark is as stupid as the original article.

Subscription canceled. If your going to use your posistion to take my possessions than you don't need my money.

Remington,

Take your guns and shove them. I'll buy Colt.

You are an antigun FOOL

[Jim B.]

Et tu Zumbo?

2nd Amendment:
Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury the 2nd Amendment, not to praise it.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones: (80)
So let it be with the 2nd Amendment. The noble Zumbo
Hath told you the 2nd was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault;
And grievously hath the 2nd answer'd it.
Here, under leave of Zumbo and the rest,-- (85)
For Zumbo is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honorable men,--
Come I to speak in the 2nd's funeral.
It was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Zumbo says he was ambitious; (90)
And Zumbo is an honourable man.
He hath brought many captives home to Rome,
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
Did this in the 2nd Amendement Caesar seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, the 2nd hath wept: (95)
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Zumbo says it was ambitious;
And Zumbo is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the Lupercal
I thrice presented him a kingly crown, (100)
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet Zumbo says it was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Zumbo spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know. (105)
You all did love the 2nd Amendment once,--not without cause:
What cause withholds you, then, to mourn for it?--
O judgment, thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason!--Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with the 2nd Amendment, (110)
And I must pause till it come back to me.

[Vit]

A suggestion to Outdoor Life and Remington:
Drop Zumbo.

[Lance in texas]

Why the heck do you need to hunt coyotes? Hunt anything? I've never seen the local market out of food.

You sir, are a friend of the terrorist with your beliefs. There is a reason the terrorists stuck those aircraft--the folks were unarmed. "Hunters" have done squat to protect this country or make it great. Patriots, of which you aren't one, made it great. Many patriots are indeed hunters, but obviously not all hunters are patriots.

This is how the future you'd wish would play out:
Ban the black plastic guns.
Ban any semi auto.
Ban any repeater, be it bolt, pump, or lever gun.
All remaining single shot guns are kept at local police monitored gun clubs.
All civilian owned firearms are destroyed.

Division among the gun owners is a tool of the Antis, of which you are one.

Patrick Henry didn't give two squats about your coyote hunting and even though I enjoy hunting, I'd never sell out my understanding of real freedom for a minute of it.

I pity your slave mindset.

[RalphG]

I would have thought this moronic infighting between gun owners overwith...

I promise not to Purchase a Remington product until you are no longer writing for them.

Go work for the Brady Center Jackass!

[Joe]

Mr Zumbo,

You've single handedly divided the hunting and shooting community at a time in our history, where we instead should all be uniting for a single purpose: defending our beloved sport but more importantly, defending our inalienable rights, which includes the 2nd Amendment.

Joe

[R. Clay]

I been hunting with Winchester 94 for years and never had a need for more of a gun than that for hunting deer or coyote. To each their own but people think they need a M16 with a big clip to take down a deer are crazy. You are going hunting not to war.

[Maser]

So am I a terrorist because I enjoy bobcat hunting with an AK-47? What's so wrong with hunting with a reliable gun that makes clean kills? Isn't that what hunting is all about?

[geekWithA.45]

Mr Zumbo,

I'm so very happy to hear that you're willing to label those of us who own and enjoy military pedigreed arms as "terrorists", and are pleased to throw us under the bus as an offering to those who would disarm all of us, so that you could enjoy another few years of hunting before it's your turn.

{Flips through Constitution, searching for references to gun sports and hunting, fails to find any protections for same.}

In a time of danger in which shooters of all disciplines need unity, you advise "divorcing" us.

With "friends" like you...

well, you know the rest.

[Evil Black Rifle Owner]

The shit storm just begins.

[Rusty]

Jim, you're a good guy and a helluva hunter. I suspect that's why the shock is so great and the comments so stinging.

Accurate rifles are interesting, Jim, no matter the color or pistol grip. You may not care for the candy-apple paint job on someone's benchrest rifle, but a good sportsman doesn't criticize the owner and will judge the rifle on what it'll do.

I hope you rethink your position after some trigger time with a Rock River Varminter or another good quality AR-15 type rifle. Yes it's different, but it just might be fun, too.

[The Voice of Reason]

"I think real sportsmen should distance themselves from the assault rifle crowd. They are going to end up getting all our guns banned. If they can't hunt with a bolt action rifle then they shouldn't be hunting at all.

John"

John, it is your ilk who are the traitors selling out their fellow gun owners to the enemy, not us. Out of unthinking cowardice, you would gladly recommend my AR get banned however I wll not advocate deer hunting or bolt action 'SNIPER RIFLES'(hint, that is your deer rifle) be banned. The difference is I am not a selfish and short-sighted hypocrite who put my hobby before someone else's constutionally protected right.

If the only reason you own a firearm is to occasionaly kill a deer for some trivial non-essential sport, you should eliminate your worry. Sell your gun and visit the meat section in your local supermarket a bit more.

We need more real gun owners and fewer so-called 'Sportsmen'.

[Tony Genovese]

I'll be cancelling my subscription ASAP. In fact I will be demanding my money back for the whole subscription! I will not fund extremist liberal anti-gunners!

Jim Zumbo, be honest with me, how much did the Brady campaign pay you to write that crap?

Hey jimbo, here a nickel, go buy a clue!

[ballisticbill]

Just took Zumbo's show off my TVO.

Click on link below to cancel Outdoor Life subscription

https://secure.customersvc.com/wes/servlet/Show

[Larry]

Jim,

You may not realize it but you are as big a threat to freedom in this country as Charles Schumer and Diane Fienstein. Your bigotry towards guns based solely upon their external characteristics has no place in a medium that supports the shooting industry. You are welcome to your opinions as this is a free country but your employers should know that I vote with my dollars and as long as they avail themselves of your services I will spend my money elsewhere.

-Larry
Mesa, Arizona

[pvc]

"I been hunting with Winchester 94 for years and never had a need for more of a gun than that for hunting deer or coyote. To each their own but people think they need a M16 with a big clip to take down a deer are crazy. You are going hunting not to war."

Wrong. First of all, it is a magazine, not a clip. Second of all, IT'S NOT AN M16. m16's are select fire and strictly regulated by the NFA and ATF. M16's are FULLY AUTOMATIC. AR15's are NOT fully automatic. They fire only single shots with seperate pulls of the trigger. Lastly, in the states that do allow hunting with Ar15's, the "Big Clips" are limited 5 shots only. I suggest reading some more of the above posts.

[Southpaw67]

Stupid is as stupid does. You "sir" are clueless.

Your comment calling AR type rifles "Terrorist weapons" spits in the face of all US Military members who have trained, carried and defended this nation with the military version (M16) since its adoption in the 60s.

Calling these semiauto lookalikes "assault weapons" is a misleading main stream media ploy to fool the sheeple of the US to fall in line with the gunbanning liberals.

A true ASSAULT RIFLE is a weapon capable of select fire..ie, safe, semi, full/burst. Civilian legal AR15 type rifles are SEMIAUTO ONLY. No different than Rugers 10/22, Mini 14/30, Remington 7400 series, Browning BAR series, etc.

Just because it looks like an M16(a true assault rifle) doesnt mean jack in the real world to people exercising their GOD GIVEN COMMON SENSE.

I challenge you to show me where in the 2nd Amendment the words "hunting" or "sporting purpose" are mentioned.

It aint about duck huntin!

You "sir" are a clueless Fudd and are a pawn of the gunbanning liberals dragging this country to hell. As was mentioned by many others your beloved scoped bolt actions are on the gungrabbers list under SNIPER RIFLE.

I do not subscribe to this magazine and will NEVER do so.

Brian Lee Rolfe
former military and Operation Iraqi Freedom civilian contractor.

[JERRY]

this guy would vote for hillary clinton,what a idiot.

To think I spent the last 26 years of my life in uniform, to defend your right to say what you wrote... damn you sir.

[Evil Black Rifle Owner]

>>>But bottom line, whatever we hunt with, and however far we elect to shoot, we indeed are in the same fraternity. We need to keep sight of the objective ....being outdoors, challenging the quarry, and bringing home the game when we're successful. As they say, different strokes for different folks. Enjoy it, however you hunt.<<<

The above is from one of Old Jimbos previous articles. It seems dementia may have made an early stop in Crazy Jims brain.

[dj]

Opinions are like aholes. Everybody has one. Mr. Zumbos opinion stinks, just like an
unwashed backside. He obviously doesn't get it.

[Marshall Wirig]

Zumbo is obviously a dinosaur with liberal views. He probably hunts with John Kerry.

I find it interesting how quick he is to be critical of the majority of those who might have read his articles.

I used to get Outdoor Life... I was considering renewing my subscription before I read this, but it's out of the question now. I can't afford to support the likes of these kinds of traitors to the cause of the 2nd amendment. I am a hunter, but I am a gun owner and a supporter of the constitution first and foremost.

Zumbo, you can go to hell.

[Curt Garlick]

You're an asswhipe, and too stupid to realize that once the AR-15 is banned, you're beloved Marlin 30-30 will be next. Keep your head in the sand and pretend that the 2nd amendment is all about hunting. Dumb ass.

[BangStick]

I like to hunt with a bow. I like getting in close as it adds a greater thrill of the hunt. There is NO place in the woods for any gun anymore......

Can you see where this argument goes? Don't knock another man because of the tool he decides to use to do the job.

If they can ban my AR15, they can ban your "sporting" rifle too.

The ignorance among gun owners amazes me. Never had a need for an M16 with a "big clip"

You sir are a fool and the post you made confirms it. You obviously dont know anything about modern firearms. I believe this to be common of the "elmer fudd" crowd. If you dont understand something it obviously must be wrong.

Do you need a car that can exceed the speed limit? Why not ban any car that can travel faster than 65mph? Obviously they have no place on our highways.

Now what books should we start burning?

[Larry]

Just a follow up to my previous post.

FYI Jim: The second amendment does NOT guarantee your right to hunt. You have no right to hunt under the constitution. You do have the right to keep and bear arms of military configuration. Read up on the constitution before you make ridiculous statements in your articles.

-Larry

So, what is the basis for your sporting rifles?
Well, if it's a bolt gun, chances are it's based on a Mauser, a MILITARY rifle. Lot's of meat and game taken with Winchester 70s, sporterized Springfields, Enfields, 1917s and the like.

What a moron.

[Brian]

I find your comments and attitude thoroughly despicable. The only people I despise more than power hungry politicians are treasonous cowards like you.

[Bob]

You are a first class dumbass. How does it feel to be passed by the current trends? I have hunted white tail deer for the last 6 years with an "assault rifle" in 5.56.
You need to retire.
Bob

[Donald Cavanaugh]

Mr. Zumbo, I am an avid hunter and have been enjoying this great sport for many years. I hunt upland birds with an over/under shotgun, varmints with a bolt action rifle as well as an AR-15, deer with bolt action, single shot, and AR-15 rifles, and have hunted Africa many times with bolt action rifles.

I am not a terrorist and am insulted by your article. You should be ashamed of your ignorance and the article you wrote. Please support all hunters and their right to own firearms or join the Brady Bunch. There is no middle of the road when it comes to supporting our firearms heratige.

[Corey]

not going the way you planned eh Jim?
You know not of what you speak old man. Next time, try to do a little research before you spout off.

[AMP]

I enjoy my AR15's, as do my kids.

I work hard to earn money.

I decide where to spend my money,

My money won't go to a subscription with anything that Mr. Zumbo writes in.

[yekim]

I can not believe that a fellow American is so willing to call me a terrorist and feed me to the wolves to save his own precious brood of boltguns. I am deeply saddened and disturbed by this. This flies in the face of all that we should believe in and all that many hundreds of thousands fought and died for. I own and use guns of many varieties. They are tools. To use the argument that certain guns are only meant for killing is preposterous when ANY gun can be used for such a purpose. I cannot believe that there are throngs of "great white hunters" out there that do not believe that we as Americans have the right to defend ourselves against criminals and tyranny. I cannot believe that I and all others who have an AR15 or AK47 have been offered up as sacrifices by those who obviously do not deserve their guns for they have forsaken the reason that we have them.

Jim, I loath you and all others like you. Your narrow minded, self serving view will be the death of us all before long.

Why do you need a rapid fire bolt action sniper rifle? I've never needed anything more than my muzzleloading hawken rifle to take deer. You gun nuts with your high capacity "more thrusts per squeeze" bolt action rifles are a menace to us real hunters who know how to take our time with each shot. I've used the irons on my hawken just fine, scopes are for snipers. You a sniper there Mr Zumbo?

[Joshua Howell]

This may be the biggest load of garbage I've ever heard come out of a "sportsman's" mouth. These "military" weapons are the basis of the second amendment, not the sole called "sporting" weapons. I have both, own both, use both, hunt with both and it is obvious to anyone who's knows anything about the preservation of the shooting sports that ALL gun owners need the support of one another or they will ALL succumb to the liberal propaganda campaigne. Thunk* That was the sound of my jim zumbo cookbook hitting the bottom of the trash can.

[Troy]

What a load Mr. Zumbo! I hope Outdoor life can do some hard and fast back peddling or there going to lose a lot of subscriptions over this, I know I will be cancelling mine!!! I highly recommend anyone else to trade their's for a subscription to American Hunter (NRA).

[Bill]

Mr. Zumbo is a Dumbo.

Total tool.

[david saxton]

You sir,are a dumb-ass. i think you should take your beloved rifle to a Sarah Brady gun buy back and them hunt with a club....that's all you deserve to use.

[Mark Davis]

I am truly amazed not only by your lack of understanding of modern firearm technology, but by your admission of never having seen one of these "assault rifles" used in the hunting field. I guess you really have been living in a vacuum! I own a couple of AR15's, and I assure you that there are many many coyotes, groundhogs, crows, and other game species who could attest to the hunting efficiency of these fine rifles...if they were still alive. I would urge you to avail yourself of an AR15 flat top precision rifle, take it on your next coyote hunt (with some fine Remington ammo, of course) and see for yourself how wrong you are. I can only hope you seek to get out of your "vacuum" and educate yourself. As others have stated here, "United we stand, divided we fall".

Wow Jim, I am very disappointed. "Terrorist rifles"? Come on Man, surely you have to recognize that these rifles, or very similair versions of them, are protecting your freedom, both here and abroad, to own what you like and hunt with what you choose. I can only hope that you were under the influence of some intoxicating beverage and surrounded by young, attractive, female liberals when you submitted this opinion. That is the only excuse I would be willing to accept. I have been a fan for many years and like I said, this is very disappointing.

[H. Roberts]

Somebody seems be be hitting the old bottle a little hard as of late....Idiot!

[Eric]

I can hardly believe in an age when the 2nd Amendment is being attacked full force, that there would be cells inside a struggling firearms community that work to divide members from within. Your actions are the reason gun rights are continually eroded and new anti-gun legislation passes unhindered.

Its mentalities like yours that get minority firearms banned. You are a selfish, self-centered, conceited individual. You are the type that doesn't care if cheap "Saturday Night Specials" are banned because crackheads use them. You are the type that doesn't care if assault weapons and 50BMG rifles because terrorists use them to shoot down planes and children You are the type that doesn't care if pistols get banned because gangbangers carry them and kids shoot schools up with them. You are the type that doesn't care if pump shotguns get banned because its intimidating in sound and makes homeowners escalate home invasions.

You WILL care when they come for your high powered sniper rifle because you don't need rounds capable of dropping a 1000lb animal and scope magnification of 10x because it allows you to kill people from 600 yards away undetected.

You will get no help from your fellow shooters because you let them all drown. You will truly be by yourself, and by then, there will be no one left to stand with you.

You sir, abusing your ability to reach out to a large audience, are responsible for playing a role in ruining America and it's a stab in the heart for every man and woman that has given up their life or limb in defending this country to secure these rights.

Jim and all the other's who put the mark of evil on an object, whats wrong with you!!!
2nd A. is NOT for hunting! I'm a proud hunter.M16/ar15 type rifles are used by police so are they terrorists?What about people who use ar15's for home defence, are they terrorists also? What about target shooters, more terrorists?Hunters who use ar15's to hunt are they terrorists? I know we all support the trops who use as u put it ar15 terrorist type rifles. We will stand together orfall alone!

[Pigdawg]

I hear this same sort of BS when I go to a sporting clays/skeet/trap field. I don't know how many times I have heard "I don't need a 15 round mag heck I don't even own a pistol." from some jackass caring a $40k Kreigoff. This is really good press for the anti gun agenda we are going to have to face in the upcoming years HR1022 has already been introduced nothing like a good beefy quote from someone in the industry to add some punch to their stance. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but people in the media need to exercise some restraint. Mr Zumbo what did you hope to accomplish by making these statements? You have your opinion and I have my wallet. I have not bought a single Ruger product after Bill Ruger stood up on the stage with Sara Brady. And the same went for S&W until the company was sold. I will not be buying a single issue of Outdoor Life while you still write for them. I also will be removing any article with your name on it from the issues that we display at the indoor range I work at for the public to read. They do not need to hear your BS.

[Deric]

What is a scoped rifle to a someone who does not understand guns? A sniper rifle.

A REAL hunter doesn't use a scope, that is the lazy man's way out. So why not ban scoped rifles? Yes, friend, that is sarcasm.

The error you have is the same made by people who sit around and argue 9mm versus .45 ACP. Did you ever stop and think, that there is a reason people hunt with AK variants and AR-15 rifles? That different people use different weaponry?

Your good ol' .30-06 hunting rifle carries nearly twice the muzzle energy of a 7.62x39mm round, fired by most AK-47 and AKM variants, and almost three times the energy of a 5.45mm variant of the AK-74 and later rifles. With energy comes many unpleasant things; such as recoil, distance (good for open spaces, bad if you don't want lead going through trees and into neighbors), noise, muzzle flash, and sometimes length.

If you want to reduce recoil, you can add weight. This trade off causes more problems.

I own two AK variants. Does it make me a terrorist to stand up for my rights? The first fielded machine gun was carried by Lewis and Clarke, an Italian made automatic capable of firing 22 rounds in 20 seconds. So, I doubt that since Thomas Jefferson was both one of the founding fathers and the one who authorized the expedition, that he left that out on accident.

My AK variants, however, are semi-automatic. An assault rifle is a select fire rifle firing an intermediate cartridge, of light weight. Sorry friend, semi-automatic does not equal select fire, unless you consider "safe" a type of fire.

Not all hunters have acres upon acres of hunting land to safely use .30-06, .308, and such hunting rounds. Not all hunters can withstand the kick of such rounds either. Does this make them a "terrorist"?

What of the Mauser design, used by the Germans in WWI and the Nazis in WWII? What of the Millions of Americans and British lives taken by this design? Does it make you a terrorist to own a sporter variant of this design, or a modern Model 70?

We can divide amongst ourselves and bicker over necessity (when hunting in itself is not needed), or we can stand together and defend ALL of our rights. I'll vote to defend your right to own a handgun, when they are responsible for over 6,000 deaths in America year, if you defend my right to own a semi-automatic clone of a military weapon, responsible for barely 2% of the deaths in America.

[Jerry Ithaca]

I think all high power hunting rifles (30.06 and larger) should be banned. the are much more of a danger than a lowly assult rifle calibered weapon.

[KP]

First of all, I'm GLAD I have a decent supply of Remington .380s stocked up. Because after reading this elitist garbage, I couldn't feel any "dirtier" buying a Remington product than if I knew that 50% of the purchase price would go to IANSA.

...oh right. Since (IIRC) IANSA thinks that HUNTING with a single-shot rifle is about the only "legitimate" use of a gun by a civvie (to hell with self-defense!), I bet a lot of you guys have never even heard of them. Or would care if you did...

I wondered - starting with the first comment - if many of the people here in agreement with Zumbo even realize that REAL "assault weapons" are highly restricted for civvie ownership. And that the AR-15s and the AK-47 clones that you see in the hands of hunters are SEMI-auto rifles. No more or less deadly than any other "acceptable" hunting gun.

Or do some of you HONESTLY think that since Slick Willie's "Crime Bill" expired in '04, you can go to the Wal-Mart and walk out 5 minutes later with a full-auto machine gun???

That's what the gun-grabbers want you to think. And it looks like they've done a decent job of it...

[pissed off hoosier]

Stay the hell out of Indiana, jimbob. I am going to go clean my Stag Arms Model 4, which is known as an AR15 Assault Rifle to liberal, anti-american shitstains such as yourself.

Don't come get me with you evil armor-piercing baby killer long range sniper rifle.

[Steve]

You dont get out much do you? Your article is the dumbest thing I have read all week. You are so out of touch you can't find your ass.

Steve

[Deric]

Same poster, Deric, from above.

I also need to add, that I will no longer renew my subscription to Outdoor Life. Your voice that hurts our rights, is powered by funds given to this magazine. Thus, unfortunately, I must no longer pay these funds and I will advice fellow subscribers to quit doing so as well.

[Doug]

My next firearms purchase was going to be a Remington Bolt Action. If this article is any indication of how Remington feels about various types of firearms, I will be skipping my Remington Bolt Action purchase. I would rather give my money to FN or Savage.

Mr. Zumbo, you are costing your advertisers money when you spew this type of bile.

[jimmyjet]

Zumbo: Never heard of ya, but I'll guarantee you that after that scurilous piece you authored condemning AR15's, etc., your name will be recognizable by quite a few more folks out here in "terrorist" land.
Wake up bean bag, the gun banners are out to take YOUR bolt action, wood stocked HUNTING rifle away from YOU because YOU represent a threat to all corrupt and unprincipled politicians by simply possessing a means of defiance.
But of course, on their way to take your gun away from you, these politicians will center in on our AR15's, as they make a much easier target, what with HUNTERS like you playing the divide and conquer game.
Go back to your CONSERVATION club, Zumbo, and never fear, we who belong to GUN CLUBS will protect your 2nd. Amendment rights with our AR15's.

[Bill]

I will never watch or record another one of your shows Jim. I will also never buy or read another Outdoor Life. I cannot believe you wrote that trash. I feel like someone just kicked me in the balls.

[Doug W.]

As a descendant of one of the Minutemen emblazoned on the statue in Concord Massachussets, I take great offense at being labeled a "terrorist" because I happen to enjoy shooting the AR platform.

I would advise Mr. Zumro to forcibly remove his head from his rectum before he does any more damage to the shooting sports. Unless, of course, he's made a decision to become the designated "sensible hunting spokesman" for the VPC / Brady campaign to trot out every time they attempt to further restrict our shooting sports and need a mouthpiece.

Most of of us that enjoy shooting the AR platform are not using "Assault Rifles" - we are using semi automatic sporting rifles that are equipped with "evil" black metal hardware, parkerized finishes, and plastic stocks, instead of "respectable" deeply blued barrels and actions in pretty laminated wood stocks. The few that actually do shoot "Assault Rifles" jump through myriad hoops and paperwork to be able to fire fully automatic weapons... and since no state or territory allows full autos for hunting, they are by nature excluded from this discussion.

While I respect his right to his opinion, in this day and age where there are those that would seek to disarm us by any means available, his comments only add ammo to the anti-gunners arsenals. Using the proven tactic of "divide and conquer", the anti-gunners use intimidating but vague terms like "assault" to try to fragment those within our sport, as well as convince non-shooters to support the prohibition of law abiding sportsmen (and women) from owning certain firearms.

Let me remind him of another recently used intimidating but vague term proffered by anti-gunners: "Sniper rifle". It describes a weapon capable of 1 MOA accuracy, usually equipped with a telescopic sight, capable of striking a killing shot at distances in excess of 100 yards. And unlike so-called "assault weapons", they don't care about plastic or wood, blued or black, pistol grips or magazine capacity.

Does this sound vaguely like any of the "hunting" rifles in your collection, Jim? Because it looks a lot like the one you're holding in that picture at the top of this page.

Oh, in closing - the Second Amendment makes no reference to hunting, so don't hope for the courts to save you once the gun grabbers have succeeded in banning all the "non sporting" firearms, and then they come for your "hunting guns".

[Jay Lindholm]

Way to go Jimbo. You've just alienated a large portion of people who read the rag you write for. Are you trying to reduce OutdoorLife's subscriptions? You've got a good start on it.

As for me, never again.

[Glen Shaffer]

I never did like your show to begin with. And to end with,, you are another dark stain on the 2nd Amendment. Nothing more than a wolf in sheeps clothing. Old lady clinton is calling. You better go answer the phone real quick. Wouldn't want to make that thing mad would you?

[Bill]

Fuck you Jim and the horse you rode in on. You are an elitist bastard.

[Bill]

Fuck you Jim and the horse you rode in on. You are an elitist bastard.

[The Knight Of Light]

WOW!! What have you done?? Can 'O' Worms! I bet you weren't thinking this when you wrote this blog huh? I applaud you sir for speaking you mind and letting us know how you feel. I also thank you for exercising the freedom I help protect for you everyday. Can you imagine if you said this in one of the "other" countries where you would most likely be imprisoned or killed for saying anything you want too? Good on you Jim. I really hope you don't loose your job over this but you know what happens when you speak your mind. People get offended. I bet if you said "Auto-Loading" rifles instead of "Assault Rifles" not so many people would be so "offended" right now. Oh well hindsight is 20/20.

Shawn

[Schulze]

Hey Jeff Zumbo, There are hundreds of thousands of the AR-15 in civilian hands across the United States. They come in every popular hunting caliber and even in a few you haven't heard of. Their popularity is growing and they are not going away. Many of them are more precise and all are more versatile than your wood-stocked hunting rifle. When narrow minded humbugs like yourself have gone the way of the dinosaur, young men like myself will be fulfilling our God-given destiny of being stewards of creation with the latest in high tech weaponry.

[Slinger646]

You are a disgrace to gun owners. In my opinion you are worse than the Brady bunch because you are an enemy from within. With the gun debate, you are either 100% with us or 100% against us, because believe me, they are coming after "sniper" rifles....oops, I meant scoped hunting rifles. Collaborator. Molon Labe!!

[J.Boyette]

Mr. Zumbo,

These type of comments from you; is the number one reason I do not like most hunters. The other 10% are great Americans. Every hunter or sportsman I have ever meet in the 90% class. Is more concerned with what experts like yourself write or push on them. and talk about how great XYZ is with no facts to back it up.

I pray that Remington Arms and Outdoor life drops you as fast as they can. Your words have a very narrow view and only hurt the 2nd amendment as a whole. Your personal view of a type and style of firearm does not suite you. Thats ok, I understand that.

But to flat out call a type of firearm the names you have is just sorry. I hope you have enjoyed your career because I think it just ended.

The ability of the antigun group's to ban the .50BMG in one state. Is only the start. The good news is, at your age you will never see the harm you have caused this great country of mine.

I am still young and will have to fight old idiots like you for many years to come. Thank you for my start with battling the antigun crowd.

John Boyette

[Mike]

If that 7.62 or 5.56 was fired from a Ruger bolt-action would you still consider it an assault rifle?

[MrKrink]

The only thing I have to say Jimbo is your a freaking idiot not worthy of the gun industry or even being a US citizen under our constitution. Sara Brady and Diane Idiotstein really need you!!! And they call you a gun writer.... Bawahhhhhhhahahahaha!!

[Scott]

I am an Army veteran and I have several AR15s. It is extremely offensive and retarded to say I own "terrorist weapons". You are a tool of the anti-gun left and the Brady campaign. You have the same goal of banning these rifles. You think your cruddy bolt gun will safe from the gun grabbers, but after they ban all the so-called "assault rifles", they will come after yours.

[Matt]

You are the worst type of gun owner.

You think your guns are fine and all nice and whatever...and anything thats "evil" looking is bad, terrorist-like, and the spawn of the devil himself.

You should be banned from writing articles, voicing an opinion, kicked out of the NRA, and be labeled as unpatriotic.

Ever hear of the 2nd Ammendment? I guess not.....

its not in place so you can hunt some deer in the woods with your $2k hunting rifle that has a 3 round integral mag, newsflash to you bud.

Your article makes me sick. People such as yourself will be the downfall of ALL gun owners. One by one... Go ahead and "poo poo" our guns, wait till they come for your "super accurate, high power sniper rifles of doom"....yeah, its your grandpa's old 30-30 they will come after next.

[Fastguy45]

Hey Jim, what do you need your high powered sniper rifle for? You know you can kill at 1000 meters with that thing! It's an implement of TERROR!

Suck it Jim. Suck it long. Suck it hard.

[david white eagle]

Well what can I say that hasn't already been said.Your short sightedness is really your down fall.What next do I have to drive a certain make of truck? wear certain type camo?go to a certain church?shoot a certain rifle my ass.get off your high horse and join the hunting american's............

[Paul]

Hey fellas - take it easy on Jim.

He is obviously trying to create a bit of controversy (publicity) here with his original statement. No one who purports to believe in hunting and gun ownership plus writes for Outdoor life could be so uninformed about guns and intentionally make a statement associating our armed forces and police with terrorists becasue of the weapons they use... or could they?

[Robert H.]

Pardon me sir but your article makes you look like a sensationalist idiot and you obviously are not a proponent of the 2nd Amendment. I am a law enforcement firearms instructor, a concealed carry handgun instructor and a NRA certified instructor. I own several variants of your "assault rifle" and I have no criminal record nor will I. I am law abiding (abviously) citizen and I resent being associated with a terrorist, as I'm sure many law abiding folks that have read your article do.

You sir, owe a whole bunch of good people here and in the firearms fraternity, a sincere public apology !

[Scott Ruff]

Jim
Saying "I had no clue" is a big clue to me of how out of touch you are in the hunting world.Take a look at the predator and varmit hunting industry and see how many people are hunting with in your words "assault rifles",(which is a term the liberal gun banners came up with).You have a right to your opinion under the Bill of Rights,but you might want to check the same Bill of Rights and check the 2nd amendment.
Comments like yours in a public venue is only harming hunters in the long run.
Have a nice day!

[Robert (crazed Thats right Loki)]

I do believe you just flushed your carrier down the fucking toilet nice job.

[NoQtr]

To Mr. Dumbo and his stupid elitist ilk. What difference does it make what platform the projectile is ignited?
You and the other "clip" crowd just prove again that there is such a great divide that exists in today's gun owners.
Why do you pander to the politicians that classify your "hunting" weapons?

[Boomholzer]

You have your ideals, opinion and a inherent right to drool them. However, since you have this public space to post your dribble; you win the responsibility to read critque your own harm.

I read through your piece several times.

At first read, it is obvious you have a opinion...by definition words or belief in something that only has to do with you. Futhermore, an opinion without any support of factual evidence. I'll continue this reply without factual evidence against. Save that for round 2. In the least, you have a very common opinion with the anti-gun folks or urban political skirts.

After second read it becomes apparent that you, yourself, believe that your limited experience in hunting makes you a worthy soapbox in firearm regulation. Then you follow to state your own ignorance. It is then apparent that you feel threatened from something that is totally new or foreign to you. Read your own words. Therefore the apology?

The vacuum you live in is self-created.

I doubt you did too much harm, I never heard of you till someone blew the moron whistle. I must be living in a vacuum.

I don't come to belittle you, I rather we as responsible gunowners and sportsmen *and women* be on the same page.

Wake up tomorrow and do better, it's not all about you.

[Robert Olson]

I will never read or buy outdoor life magazine again nether will I renew my subscription.

[Sarah B.]

Damn Fudds are gonna get us all kilt.

[Hillary Clinton]

Dammit Jim, shut the fuck up.

[MrKrink]

Oh yeah and by the way that rifle you got there in the picture is a SNIPER RIFLE..............we definitely need to get rid of those, don't need anyone hiding and shooting people with that "highly accurate hunting rifle"!!! Hey Remington, fire this anti-gun anti-American disgrace to gun owner idiot!!

[Mik]

I shot my first deer this year with a tactical SWAT sniper rifle. It has a harris bipod, 10x mildot scope, 26" bull barrel, synthetic stock, and custom cheek pad. Capable of 1000yrd shots in expert hands. Of course, I could just call it a scoped .308 boltaction hunting rifle. I could likewise call your long guns sniper rifles as they have the same capabilities. So what if my AR scares the granola heads? in reality it is a auto loader rifle in .223rem, functionally identical to the thousands of other so called "hunting guns" in the same caliber. It just happens to have fantastic ergonomics and exotic appearence.

[waterfowlmaniack]

I am a hunting guide and will be passing this to all my clients. I will be asking for them to inform the entire hunting community about this outrage.
I have kept my thoughts about you to myself until now.
You are a overweight blowhard that needs his hand held by paid hunting guides to drive you to nearly tame game animals.
Outdoor life cancelled..... everything Remington will be leaving my house today !!
Please do us a favor and resign. it's the only honarable thing to do.

[Sean Willis]

Jim, I'm sure the NRA does not agree with you. Do you think the old mountain men might have said something similar when the '56 Spencer or the Henry Rifle came out? They might have considered themselves "traditionalist" and disparaged the new firearm of the day. The AR is certainly an inheritantly accurate firearm, and largely the reason for its popularity among the varmint and predator hunting crowd. Not to mention the added advantage of quick follow up shots.
As one who just recently started shooting and hunting with an AR, I still love the blued steel and wood grain of a fine bolt gun. I support your legal right to hunt with what you like. I hope you will afford me the same courtesy.

[Flinter]

And just what are you going to do when they come for your "sniper rifle" Jim?

I used to read you....I just cancelled my subscription. I get enough of this crap from Diane Feinstein.

[Eric]

Jim,

Make no mistake, the gun banners will get around to you too. If you think you can placate them you are mistaken. It is a shame to see someone so short-sighted have such a platform to betray other gun owners. I guess my dollars will go elsewhere. Thanks for letting me know whom I can trust. It clearly isn't REMINGTON.

Eric

[Mik]

One more thing, as much as I cherish hunting and will do whatever I can to ensure it's continuation, it has nothing to do with the second ammendment; I would completely abandon the sport if was necessary to protect my right to bear arms.

[Steve, too]

Mr. Zumbo,

In response to your disapproval of using a semi-auto version of our our currently issued military long arm for varmint (pest control) hunting, I ask the follwing questions:

As I recall, progressive governmets such as Mexico and some sub-saharan african nations have outlawed the use of Military calibers in pursuit of game.
Are you advocating a similar mindset?

At what point do we outlaw the use of a mauser '98 in 7x57? That's the rife used to kill thousands of out grandfathers.
Or an enfield .303? How many third world countries were "terrorized" during the British occuptation by that assult weapon?

Some folks still use military rifles of these calibers in the pursuit of deer sized game. Are they unenlightend slobs intent on living out adolescent military fantasies?

By what criteria should "game departments... ban them from the praries and woods"?

Magazine capacity?
Barrel Length?
Stock composition? (My camo stocked 870 is an assult weapon?)
Caliber?
Balistics?
Your opinon of tastefulness and tradition?

I stand in serious awe of your ignorance. Please remind Remingtom what they are getting when they send you off on a canned hunt with a rife to review.

Maybe they already do know.
In that case I refer them to the corporate earnings records of Smith and Wesson between 1995 and 2005.

[TTBoy]

Jim, that hurt. I thought we were friends.

[Gun-guy]

Dumbo,

That was a stupid way of selling out fellow gun owners that spend alot of money to Remington. Remington sells assault rifle ammuntion. You bit the hand that feeds you dumbass.

[John]

It's a shame you are so out of touch with reality, my AR-15 isn't an assault rifle as you allege, it merely LOOKS like one, there is a huge difference.

You fail to understand that the same people who want to deny me the use of an AR-15 by mistakenly calling it an assault rifle are the exact same people who want to take away your hunting rifle by describing it as a sniper rifle.

I'm disappointed in you, I thought you would know better...

[Chris Smith]

Jim,

I’m an avid hunter and have enjoyed reading your articles for a long time.

Don’t really know the first thing about these terrorist rifles and to be honest, don’t really care to know.

But good god man. Could have done more harm to our sport/culture/passion if you had tried.

This division between Sportsmen (hunters) and those who enjoy military type weapons must stop, or we’re going to be throwing rocks at deer. Nothing will be left for you or me to hunt with.

I don’t see why I might need an M-16 or an AK-47, but that doesn’t mean I have any right to preclude others from possession and enjoyment (granted it’s legal). The Second Amendment is there to protect ALL of our firearm rights. I don’t seem to remember it saying anything about hunting.

Our (yours and mine) ignorance probably leads us to not understanding these other firearms, but you attitude/arrogance is harmful to us all. Your article leaves me no option, but to cancel my subscription. I will also be writing letters to Outdoor Life and to Remington expressing my displeasure. I hope to see a quick end to your career.

Chris Smith
Portland, Oregon

[The Ghost of Jack O Connor and Julian Hatcher]

I am very disappointed to read commentary like this from somone I have come to consider one of Outdoor Life's halmark writers. Mr.Zumbo you sir are a terrible disappointment to me and thousands of other readers of Outdoor Life. I grew up reading this magazine and always took great stock in what the great Jack O Connor the later Jim Carmichael and even you have penned until now. You sully a fine outdoor publication with a long history .The anti gun PC drivel you have penned makes you exactly the type of person the ANTI GUN lobby loves, one of our own turning on us. The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting further more the rifles you mention that you feel have no sporting purpose are perfectly useable for just that. I often have used an AR15 for pest control and varmints for well over 20 years on my farm. Further more there are many people who successfully I might add use the 7.62x39mm cartridge in AK style rifles and SKS carbines to take everything from deer to varmints. Quit hanging on to your stodgy ideas of what YOU think is apporpiate for a sproting arm is and what should or can be used by the guy in the field. you disgust me sir!

[Tom]

I don't subscribe to Outdoor Life so I can't cancel that, but I used to watch Mr Zumbo on the Outdoor Channel. Not any more, no credibility now.

[jstreet]

Hey guys,

[The Ghost of Jack O Connor and Julian Hatcher]

I am very disappointed to read commentary like this from somone I have come to consider one of Outdoor Life's halmark writers. Mr.Zumbo you sir are a terrible disappointment to me and thousands of other readers of Outdoor Life. I grew up reading this magazine and always took great stock in what the great Jack O Connor the later Jim Carmichael and even you have penned until now. You sully a fine outdoor publication with a long history .The anti gun PC drivel you have penned makes you exactly the type of person the ANTI GUN lobby loves, one of our own turning on us. The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting further more the rifles you mention that you feel have no sporting purpose are perfectly useable for just that. I often have used an AR15 for pest control and varmints for well over 20 years on my farm. Further more there are many people who successfully I might add use the 7.62x39mm cartridge in AK style rifles and SKS carbines to take everything from deer to varmints. Quit hanging on to your stodgy ideas of what YOU think is apporpiate for a sproting arm is and what should or can be used by the guy in the field. you disgust me sir!

[ron]

There are a lot of companies out there building AR's that are tack drivers with bull barrels, and it still shoots a 223 varmit bullet.

when they take your guns, they will take
them all. Not just assault rifles. They are going to take your shotgun, 22 rifle, anything they deam as a weapon capable of shooting a modern cartridge projectile. They may even take your black powder guns.

More people have died at the hands of baseball bats, and shotguns than assault rifles. You are a blind brainwashed idiot, You are a gun control nut, and give gun grabbers a good name to stop hunting, and owning a gun.

FORGET ME BUYING ANYMORE OF YOUR COMPANIES MAGAZINES, OR PRODUCT ENDORSEMENTS.

[R. McGowan]

Personally, I use conventional arms for hunting but I own all types and I must say that you insult me and everyone who owns firearms and hunts. You're entitled to your opinion and are free to openly express it to be sure but so am I. In my opinion you are a small, narrow minded, ignorant person.
I have usually bought around six issues of Outdoor Life a year off the shelf for over thirty years but now O.L. can thank you and only you for making darn well certain that I will never pick up another issue again. You can be rest assured that the people I've pointed this article out to have agreed and are taking the same stance. There's more than enough reading material out there and the likes of you and O.L. aren't at all necessary.

[sgtlmj]

Mr. Zumbo:

You are correct. You are living in a vacuum.

Not only are you unaware of the accuracy and utility of what you refer to as assault weapons, you are also unaware that hunting is no longer a fraternity, nor has it been for many years. Women are out there in the woods too, and some of them even hunt with military style weapons.

I am not currently a subscriber of Outdoor Life, but I am going to pick up just one more copy so I can write to the sponsors of this magazine to tell them what I think of your editorial.

Saddened.

[Bruce Q.]

Mr. Zumbo, you and all of the other ignorant "elmer fudd" types had best wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late...this is an all-or-nothing fight for our rights that we are in.

Today, they're trying to take away our "assault rifles"...tomorrow, they'll be coming after your "sniper rifle".

You either support the right to keep and bear arms or you do not...period.

Judging from your attitude and assinine ramblings posted above, you appear to be little more than an elitist who does not care about the people's 2nd Amendment rights as a whole...as long as you can keep your bolt-action rifles, screw everyone else...

I truly hope you have the opportunity to carefully re-think your position...from the unemployment line.

It'll be a cold day in Hell before I buy another Remington product as long as you're on their payroll. I've budgeted for a .300 Win. Mag rifle this year...I WAS going to buy a Remington 700...now I'll be purchasing something from either the Savage or Browning product lines.

[The Ghost of Jack O Connor and Julian Hatcher]

What an incredibly arrogant ass you are sir and a true enemy to all of our freedoms.

[JohnKSa]

You are certainly welcome to call them what you will. The same constitution that gives you that right give others the right to own semi-automatic firearms.

But your statement that they have no place in the woods is ill-informed. Many hunters use semi-automatic firearms for hunting, and many manufacturers sell them for that purpose. In fact, when they're dressed in "hunting garb" you'd be hard pressed to recognize many semi-automatic rifles as "terrorist rifles" as you like to call them.

And, more to the point: these days, there are other reasons to be armed in the woods. If you stumble upon an illegal drug lab in a remote location, you may wish for more self-defense capability than the average muzzle-loader provides.

[AC-130U Gunship guy]

Jim Zumbo 2007: "-I call them "assault" rifles", "I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles."

2008: Democratic controlled House and Senate emboldened by the mighty sportsman Jim Zumbo ban possession of "Terrorist Assault rifles" with no grandfather clause, turn 'em in folks.

Various gun control groups together with animal rights activists 2009: High power sniper rifles with sniper scopes capable of penetrating police body armor are readily available to terrorists with little or no background checks. No one in America "needs" to hunt as meat is readily available in the grocery stores; nowhere in the US Constitution is the "Right to hunt" enumerated.

2010: Possession of all centerfire and rimfire rifles and riflescopes are banned, turn them in folks.

Jim you really should know better, we have to hang together or we're going to hang separately on the issue of gun control. Please call your friends and find one that owns an AR-15 and try shooting it some afternoon, nothing serious, just throw some cans down range and have at it, you just might have some fun. If you come through Florida email me, I'll take you plinking with my wife, kids, and an AR-15, they all love shooting Ar-15 "Assault Rifles."

[Mike B]

Mr. Zumbo,

I see the ant-gunners have gotten to you. The use of a semi-auto for hunting does not make one a terrorist. The AR type rifles can be quite accurate rivaling traditional bolt action accuracy. When rifle manufacterers see there is a demand for accurate semi-auto's in small centerfire calibers and begin making them...they will sell to ethical hunters. By making a statement like you have done, you've allowed the door to be opened wider for the divide and conquer agenda of the leftist anti-gun faction in this country.

[Gary Jeter]

Jim, I'm disappointed.

I have always enjoyed hunting with "military-type" firearms. Moreover, I've especially enjoyed hunting with military-type firearms I have worked on as home gunsmithing projects (rebuilding, refinishing, accurizing, etc.). While your personal tastes may differ from mine, you have no more right to critize my choice of hunting arm, than I have to criticize your choice. Although, I am sorely tempted to characterize you as being nothing more than a shill for the "latest and greatest" product from the major arms manufacturers. I feel so inferior now that I know I don't own the same .17 gee-whiz-a-ma-bob or the .35 belted-improved as the Great Zumbo.

You call for a "ban" on certain types of guns for hunting. It should take only one shot for a competent hunter to make a competent kill. What next Jim? A ban on all repeaters? You really need to re-think your position on this.

Gary Jeter
FAL Files moderator

[Charles Schumer]

Your an idiot, but a useful one.
Keep up the good work.
Me and Teddy Kennedy will be over later. Have your shoe shine kit ready boy.
The Honorable Chuckles "the Jew" Schumer.

[Slyvester Putz]

Damn, the same company PAYING for the advert space here is the parent company for the cartridge defamed (.223 REMINGTON) has to be IRONY.

Might I send them a little "heads up"?

Hitting you in the BOTTOM LINE might slap you into REALITY.

[Chris White]

I will no longer be doing business with Remington so long as they employ such an anti-Second Amendment spokesman as yourself. No guns, no ammo, no cleaning products, nada! You are a disgrace and so is Remington for signing your paycheck. I'll be taking my business elsewhere.

[Rocky]

I'd much rather hunt with some AR type guns then some of the poorly crafted garbage Remington is putting out. You might see that if you wern't way down in their pockets. Hey Jim, your credibility just left town

[Chad]

How old are you Zumbo? Are you too old to even handle a firearm?

Lets ban you to a retirement community that the only thing you shoot anymore is your mouth.

[Jeffrey Holly]

Jim Zumbo = Keyboard Cowboy

I used to respect a sportsman that always "seemed" to be doing the right thing. Now, it merely seems that the shepard was nothing more than a wolf in sheeps clothing. Beware of the wolf, he comes in the night to collect those things that are most dear to us. Zumbo, if I ever see you hunting anything more than so much as a spear, a sling or a longbow, I will preach to the world the depth of your hypocricy.

[Greg Fuller]

Mr. Zumbo,

How disappointed I am to read this article. I've read Outdoor Life for many, many years. Starting as a teenager in the mid-70s. I basically grew up pheasant and quail hunting with my dad.

In the past several years I've enjoyed many of your articles and have come to respect your values and hunting ethics. But now that's all been flushed down the drain because of this one article. You see, the second rifle I purchased with my own money was an AR15 in 1979. I used it for prairedog hunting on the plains of Nebr. for many years. I now live in western Colorado and while I no longer hunt upland game I do hunt deer and elk. But I still own an AR15. In fact I shoot it much more frequently than I do my hunting rifles.

The old adage "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it" is a fine example of how we respect the freedom of speech recognized in the First Amendment but it's an attitude that is too sorely lacking in defending our beloved Second Amendment.

All firearms owners NEED to stand together and defend what each other owns and uses or we will surely suffer the fate Pres. Lincoln foresaw when he stated "A house divided will surely fall."

Sometimes we are our own worst enemies.

And you, Mr. Zumbo, will have a tough time redeeming yourself in my eyes.

Greg Fuller

[scott]

Mr. Zumbo. I have enjoyed your articles for several years, and especially enjoyed the article in which you described Chuck Yeager giving you "his" rifle. You have been an enjoyment. However, I will never read another article by you or buy another magazine to which you contribute.
As we all know, a firearm is just a tool: It's the person behind it that makes the difference. The projectile is the implement that does the final damage, not the rifle.
A rifle is a rifle, no matter it's appearance.
Were I you, and I admit I'm not, I would rethink my stance on your AR15 statements. Most owners of AR15s are law abiding Americans, just as you probably are. I'm sure you can put forth at least one example of terrorist usage of an AR15, but that's NOT the point. The point is it's the TERRORIST using a tool, not the tool causing the terrorist.

Best wishes, Scott

[Jeff]

Wow. Jim, that's the end of you and outdoorlife at this end of the info superhighway.

I'm sure it's redundant by now, but I'm copying your stupidity to every firearm forum I'm apart of, as well as every commercial enterprise I'm associate with.

With friends like you, the industry and gunowning community needs no enemies.

You also wrote: "The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue."

You must not get out much.

[HP608]

Mr. Zumbo, you need to quit going on those canned hunts and get out in the real world. As a law enforcement officer I train with and carry an AR-15 for duty use. I also hunt with an AR-15, AK-47 and even a russian SKS. I probably shoot more in 1 year than you have in the last 20 years. You sir are not qualified to open your mouth when it comes to an AR. Do not write about things that you know nothing about.

[Mark M]

Wow. Despicable.

I can not even begin to fathom why you would write such tripe.

Mark M.

[Buster Charlie]

I'm one of the terrorist you speak of, I have evil WWII bolt action military rifles and some cold war era semi-auto rifles, but lucky for you I only shoot paper targets.

Your right, killing animals should be reserved for boring sporting guns. It would be wrong to use a piece of history to snuff some animal.

I will defend peoples PRIVILEGE to hunt, as long as they defend me RIGHT to own military arms.

I could care less if the only way you will ever feel like a man is to take the life of animals who can't hurt you, I will defend your animal killing hobby.

Personally I'm all for people being able to hunt animals, I just don't see what it has to do with the 2nd Amendment.

[Don]

You just lost another reader. I find your attitude pompous and disgusting. I own bolt rifles, lever rifles, pump rifles and semi-auto rifles including an AR15 I just built and two AK-47s. Why would someone who is a "gun guy" want to see someones 2A rights infringed upon? Would I hunt with my AR or AK only if needed. I have other rifles better suited, but both the AR and AK are capable when used within their limitations. Ballistics for the 7.62 X 39 is inequivalent to the 30-30, should we also ban the 30-30? I find your terrorist comments equally as disgusting. Have you forgotten that the U.S. military uses the AR platform as well as the AK platform on a limited basis? Are you calling those of us in uniform terrorists as well? I enjoy shooting and hunting and now I will enjoy it without reading venomous garbage from you.

[Donnie P]

As most here have stated, your anti-AR15 drivel is shocking, to say the least, to be coming from someone associated with a firearms publication. Let me tell you about my AR15:

I carry it most nights while I'm out there protecting life and property of those that would do you harm.

I take it with me when my tactical team is called into action to protect my life and yours.

I take it with me into the field to hunt varmints and the like.

I take it with me to the range, to teach my children responsible firearms ownership, marksmanship, and to bond and strengthen the love of our family.

I take it home to protect my family from evil doers that would like to harm my family.

I take it to firearms competitions to enjoy a sporting event, and compete to strengthen my skills.

I take it to train others in the tactical use of the AR15 so that they also have the proper tools to protect their lives, and yours.

I also support the right of any other law abiding citizen to own an AR15 for many of the same reasons I own one.

And YOU want to take it away from me because you don't approve of how it looks???

My subscription to Outdoor life just ended,and you have made my decision as to renewing it very easy.

Donnie

[Frank]

Purchasing Remington products: NO WAY as long as Zumbo the Dumbo is associated with Remington. He needs to go!

[Jack Pianalto]

You sicken me, and you are a disgrace to hunting and shooting

[George Bush]

Thanks Jim, at least they're off my ass for awhile.

[Shawn]

THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS,SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!What part of that do you not understand?

You sir are a traitor that has turned his back upon his fellow,freedom loving Americans.

[D. Holt]

Wow, as others have said, I thought this website must have been hijacked and modified by Sarah Brady or Barack Obama. The AR15 is probably THE American rifle of our time, and serves a multitude of useful functions including: hunting small to medium sized game, target shooting, self defense... and yes, even protecting the right of people to make ignorant statements.
Everyone has the right to their own opinion of course...just as they have a right to choose better magazines to subscribe to and/or better "traditional" rifle and ammo brands.

[john silva]

Mr.Zumbo,

Do yourself a favor. Lie to everyone with an apology saying that you didn't mean what you said about "assault rifles". Blame it on being drunk or something, you Elmer Fudd idiot.

[Nancy Pelosi]

Hey Jim, how many opinionated assholes does it take to change a light bulb?
Just one.
We hold it up, and the world revolves around us.

[NY Patriot]

Mr. Zumbo,

A few wise words for you from a man you may have heard of...

"We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Please place this quote in the context of your article Mr. Zumbo & ruminate on it.

I'm sure its meaning will become clear.

Best regards,

NY Patriot

[NRAJOE from Toledo,OH]

Your comments are out of line Zumbo...I enjoy ALL firearms and do not have an elitist mentality like yours.

United we stand, divided we fall...

[Diane Feinstein]

Looking good honey, now come here and suck my dick.

[Skeet]

Its called the 2nd amendment. Hunting is not mentioned. But the government is. Think about it.

[Patrick]

I am dumbfounded that Mr Zumbo would write such tripe. He is no better than the Brady Bunch or any other anti-gun group.

I am disgusted with Mr Zumbo for writing such pure crap and with Outdoor Life for printing it.

Cross off another reader.

Wait til the NRA gets a hold of this!

ZM

[Aaron Green]

Thinking the anti's will stop at "assault rifles" is like thinking Hitler would stop at Chezkoslavakia.

Zumbo the Chamberlain of the shooting sports

[American Infidel]

An insult to all that have served with this outstanding rifle.

US Army terrorist, Gulf War, Version 1.0

[Phil]

You sir, Mr. Zumbo come off as an elitest snob. The AR is more than capable as a varmit rifle. And you want a ban because of what? How it looks? Just because we own an AR instantly marks us off as a criminal in your mind? You are no friend of the 2nd amendment and no different than Sarah Brady. Let's not forget that the latest mall shooting was with a shotgun. Maybe we should take away duck guns as well. Don't want to be lumped in with those crazy duck hunters.

You sir are the worst kind of anti-2a crowd.

[M Hiles]

Mr. Zumbo, I am not enamored with your attempts to divide the gun community or compromise anti-gun lawmakers with regard to any gun ownership issue. I suppose that you're statements can simply be interpreted as your defeatest strategy of sidlining up with the popular liberal political sentiments. Are you doing this so you can hang onto your dear "hunting rifle" when a democratic-led government stomps on the 2nd Amendment once and for all? Might I remind you that the 2nd Amendment is NOT about hunting or hunter's rights. The Bill of Rights is about the carefully engineered balance of power between The People and a tyrannical centralized FedGov that is already run amok.

I could turn the tables on you. What if I were to say that even as a gun owner, I am a non-hunter who belives that killing for sport is a barbaric pastime that demonstrates a latent anti-social disorders? Sure!! Maybe I could claim that people who hunt for sport are dangerous because they can suppress their murderous psyche!! Now I don't actually believe my previous two statements, but see how easy it would be to cast hunters in an equally politically tenuous light? In consideration of our sensitive political era, instead of dividing the community, you need to be using your platform to help unite firearm owners.

Anti-gun lawmakers aren't going to distinguish firearm types next time. They've learned their lesson in that regard. They will go the way of the other disarmed nations by whittling away at ammo caliber & regulations. Your .308 bolt action will be an equally useful club as my FAL when 30 caliber ammo is banned. Whether you like AR-15s or not, to claim that they are "terrorist rifles" is simply preposterous. In case you didn't pay attention to national news, it was your beloved shotgun was used in a mall shooting in SLC this past weekend. The same shooting was cited by the liberal lawmaker from PA who reintroduced new gun ban legislation this past week, when the shooting itself had nothing to do with any high-caliber semi-automatic rifles. It was a 12 gauge, hunting gun. You'll certainly get your tits in a whistle when they come calling for your 870.

Cancelling my subscription to OutdoorLife with a follow-up letter to your managing editor is step #1. Sending a letter to Remington explaining how I will not purchase any Remington product until they abandon sponsorship of any media with which you are affiliated is step #2. I will further assist the various "fire missions" that are gaining steam.

Good luck with whatever you choose to do as the next chapter in your career.

[Jim Erickson]

Terrorist kill more people with cars and buses so lets ban cars and buses, Mr. Z
Also ending my subscription to Outdoor life
Jim Capt. Retired

[Scott Gilmore]

I had been contemplating whether or not to renew my Outdoor Life and Field and Stream magazine subscriptions. Decision made at this point. I dumped them both. Mr. Zumbo's TV show will never again be shown in my house, and the books I own that he wrote will become range fodder for my military style rifles. I don't hunt with my AR rifles. I don't hunt with bow and arrow. I don't hunt with handguns. You get the idea, I don't use them but don't want to step on other people's rights to use them.

[MattB]

I dont appreciate the Terrorist comment.
I will bet neither do my fellow service members and LEO's who use these "Terrorist" rifles and who you have now called "terrorists". Do yourself a favor test a Match grade precision AR-15 set up for varmits, maybe it will help pull your head out of the vacum( or maybe it's in a certain orifice).

I shoot .223 Remington ammo made by Remington to hunt varmits with. Are you saying Remington Supplies Terrorists?

I guess OUTDOOR life is only for a certain few individuals with certain firearms? Even though you (zumbo) consider me a "terrorist" can I still be in your select club and own my L.C. SMITH, A.H FOX, REMINGTON,BROWNING, MOSSBERG Shotguns and REMINGTON, SAVAGE, RUGER, WINCHESTER, H&R/NEF rifles?. Or are they now my terror weapons too? If you own of those types of Firearms too does that make you guilty by association or is that a uneducated, bigoted statement like the one you made?

Now is not the time to stab other firearms owners in the back because you don't like what they like.

Go ahead ban my Guns your will be next.

[S. Fisher]

You are such a bigot, you're no better than a duche in the KKK. You are'nt a man if the sight of a military partern rifle makes you wet your pants. The founding Fathers intended that "we the people", had the same arms as the standing army had. Just because weaapons have improved over the last 231 years dosn't mean that its not our right to own these arms. The 2A is the last check, when all else has failed to keep the tyranicle Gov at bay. It dosn't have anything to do w/hunting. Hunting is a tool the gov uses to keep animal pops under control. I gues you could say that the gov is trampling on animal rights. I think i'll email the NRA,the SAF, the GOA, and the JPFO. Lets see what they have to say about continuing to support your career.

[JC]

I'm terribly disappointed in reading what you have written. After all your years as a hunter this is what you have to offer? You of all people should know better.

Your narrative is incredibly arrogant and reminds me, frankly, of the drivel published by the Brady Bunch. What, really, is the substantive difference, for example, between a semiautomatic hunting rifle (see http://hunting.about.com/cs/guns/tp/tp_auto_rifles.htm for a brief list) and a semiautomatic AR-15? The difference is appearance only. Where's your discussion of banning semiauto hunting rifles?

You should also know that your post will provide fodder for those who wish to ban hunting altogether and start the process for registration and ultimately confiscation of all firearms.

I thought you were on the side of liberty and freedom, but I must have been mistaken.

[Paul Winters]

Ok, Lets see the M24 the USA's Army Sniper Rifle is a Remington 700 action. I guess the Synthetic Remington 700 BDL I own is now a bonafide Sniper Rifle. Funny I just hunt with it, but now I can be labeled a terrorist because terrorist use sniper weapons. I own several AR-15's and my Les Bauer Ultimate AR I have taken several times prairie dog hunting. I shoot 10 times more than the bolt action shooter. Guess what. That means I contribute 10x more to ammunition tax that helps hunting. I also help the bottom line of the folks like Remington because I buy 10 times more ammo than the Bolt action shooter. My AR cost more than the sniper rifle (Rem 700) I have by about 3 times. So guess what? Again I have paid more in taxes for the government to use. The way I see it, gun makers should be pushing AR style guns because the residual increase in income for companies like Remington who makes ammo is a given. Thanks for nothing. As far as the .223 being weak, I use a .308 in S. Africa to drop with one shop everything from a Stine Buck to Kudu. Of course if you were there, I'm sure you would want a 416 Rigby because the .308 isn't powerful enough. Shows what you know.

[Not smart]

"I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue."

Yes, you have no clue.

[walt]

Zumbo's comments are bogus. I know several people besides myself that use "assault weapons" for hunting as well as myself. If a 5 round mag is installed in a semi auto AK or AR type rifle it is no more lethal than any other semi auto rifle but is less destructive than a multi shot shotgun. I see no differences in any semi auto rifle except for configuration. If he feels that about military configuration semi auto rifles he must also feel the same about all semi auto rifles. What if someone was to speak out about the bolt action scoped (sniper configuration) rifles how would he stand. As gun owners we are responsible for protecting our rights especially now with the democrats (jackasses) are in office. They want to take all guns away. If ignorant people in public places keep making hipocritical anti gun statements (like Zumbo) we will be divided and will fall and unfortunately end up saying bye to our second ammendment rights as well as our firearms. If one thing is taken from us another will soon follow.

[Jed]

wow... what a truly stupid piece of garbage he wrote. AR15's aren't tack drivers? Mine doesn't even have a bull barrel, and it has a heavy single stage trigger. At 100 yards I can put 20 shots in a group that a pop bottle lid will cover. And I've only shot my AR at 100 yard distance two times! Imagine if I put a better trigger, a bull barrel, and shot more with it!! It'd be even more of a tack driver.

You say an AR15 makes someone turn to the spray and pray method of shooting. How do you come to this conclusion? I could go hunting with my AR and a 30 round mag.. and I'd only take one shot. If I missed, I'd let the animal go. But magazine capacity does nothing to make someone shoot wildy. It is ALL ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL HUNTER!! You want to talk about cowardly hunting.. hunt like a real man.. with no scents, calls, antler rattles. Do it like a man and hunt by pure chance and luck. Using calls and scents to lure an animal in, is much more cowardly than using an AR15 to hunt an animal!

I sincerely hope that since a lot of hunters are stupid when it comes to rifles like the AR15 or AK47, not caring if they are banned.. don't wait for me to shed a tear when your hunting grounds dry up and your rifles are deemed sniper rifles. You bring it upon yourself if this is the view you take of our other rifles and weapons we have the right to own.

If you choose to protect only one type of weapon, rest assured, they will eventually end up with only your weapon left to ban. And don't count on them being scared to take yours. Afterall, what are you going to do to defend against the govt, with a single shot bolt action rifle? One shot, one kill? I see it more as, one shot, one kill. Then hundreds of shots, YOUR DEAD.

You need to give up your job of writing articles on guns or hunting. Morons like you are selling our 2nd amendment rights down the drain.

[Matt Marshall]

Wow Jim,

You truly are the worst enemy of all gun owners out there. Thanks to people like you we are fighting a constant uphill battle to keep our right to keep and bear arms.

Shame on you! You sir are a disgrace to all freedom loving Americans!

[Oulufinn]

Mr. Zumbo.... I just don't have the words to express how much harm your narrow view does to our common cause.

I will say, that as a hunter for 33 years, I've hunted with 30-30 Lever actions, Bolt actions, Single Shot Encores, Pump actions, Recurve and Compound Bows. It seems absurd to conclude, that by taking my 1/2 MOA AR15 out with suitable ammunition to harvest a Deer, Coyote or Feral Hog, that suddenly my hunt is deemed unworthy because of the appearance of the rifle used to pursue them.

As a respected member of the hunting and shooting community your irresponsible statements are no help to ANY hunters or shooters and are certainly welcomed by Sara Brady and Hillary Clinton.

I'm very sorry to have wasted my respect on you for so long. I will thank you for letting people know just how little you respect the second amendment and those who actually understand just what it means.

[Bud]

Zumbo is clearly out of touch and more foe than friend.

Still, I think we can do without the profanity and all the garbage posts. Send him a message, and his employers.

But do it like the man Zumbo imagines himself to be.

[Easy]

Well Mr. Jim, Sounds to me like you will be running for a Congressional seat on the Democrat Party ticket.

You just don't get the whole idea behind the 2nd Ammendment do you? After they come and get the EBR's, "they" WILL be coming for your bolt action 'sniper rifle'.

Stop living in a fantasy world where you assume Your guns are safe and legal.

[Paul]

As a member of the United States armed forces with a 16 month deployment fighting real "terrorists" and an AR-15 owning citizen, I am very, very offended by the insinuation that anyone owning an AR-15 is himself a terrorist. How dare you.

[Johnny]

I just can't believe what I read from someone I thought I respected.You must be getting a check from the brady bunch,hopefully you won't get many more from Outdoorlife or Remington.Getting you off the payroll may be their only hope of recovering from this.

[twizzledik]

All your guns belong to us.

[Stupid hat hater.]

That stupid fucking hat of yours must be to tight.

[James B]

Hey,with you position on gun, you are pro-genocide.

[Nate]

Moron! After reading what you have to say on this subject that is the only word that is appropriate. To have a supposed supporter of the shooting and hunting comminity using terms like "terrorist rifle" it will be a wonder if we are able to preserve our 2nd amendment rights in the future. (BTW dumbass, how many terrorists have you seen fielding an AR-15 anyways? They are most commonly found with AK-47's, another "assualt rifle", but I'm sure that you knew that, didn't you??????)

I could care less about using one of these rifles (notice the lack of an "assualt" or "terrorist" preceptor, not bad for someone whom is not an overpaid poster boy for the industry ehh?) for hunting myself. But, I at least have the brainpower to realize that we should not be giving the anti's any fuel to their way of thinking. We (as in the shooting and hunting community, sorry to keep having to spell things out, I just want to make sure that your simple mind is following) need to support one another in our endevours, irregardless of whether or not we choose to do things the same way or not. As long as it is legal, we can not afford to look down our noses at the way that our friends do things or pretty soon none of it will be legal. Please think before you go flapping your gums. Good day sir (and I use that term very loosely).

[jnewson]

I don't know who this Jim Dildo guy is, but due to his anti-(other than what he likes)gun and 2nd amendment views that are supported by Remington, I will never purchase another Remington firearm, bullet, or reloading component.

As for this Outdoor Life magazine, I've never read or subscribed to it, and now I have a good reason not to. Ever.

Thank you for selling law abiding Americans down the river, assholes.

[Brian]

Jim,

I'm deeply saddened to see someone of your caliber thinking the way you are. As others have stated, the 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting. Hunting is a privilage given to us by the State. (A privilage in which I partake and enjoy. One I hope that my children will be able to enjoy). Owning firearms is a right given to us by our Founding Fathers. Protecting our families, property and Country is a liberty given to us by God.

Unfortunately, it appears that you have fallen victim to the liberal media and the anti-gun agenda. It will be people like you who feed these entities with the fuel they need to deliberately nibble at our rights until there are none left. Once they have "assault weapons" banned, there will be another like you saying, "I don't see the need for hunters to use sniper rifles to take game." Only then will you maybe understand where we are coming from.

For the sake of everyone reading this, I hope you are never forced to understand.

I will never pick up an Outdoor Life rag again. I will also be writing Remington about this.

"Tyranny is the exercise of some power over a man, which is not warranted by law, or necessary for the public safety. A people can never be deprived of their liberties, while they retain in their own hands, a power sufficient to any other power in the state." Federalist Noah Webster

[Kevin R.]

Well, I guess with what was said here by Zumbo, and what has been said by others in regards to the hunting with the .50 article, I wont be sending any money to Outdoor life, and will inform my customers of the same. I wont be redundant here and say what others have said, but I do want to say that YOU Mr. Zumbo ARE in a vaccuum.
to base a firearm on its appearance? come on, give me a break, i suppose we should ban them all because they are not single shot rifles with wood huh? How about we target the unethical hunters, and criminals and not what they use...go to the source of the problem, same as in crime, if i hit someone with my ford, does that mean that ford is bad and no one should have one, but chevys are ok? of course not, and if my chevy can pull that trailer up a mountain same as your dodge, why would you complain about me using the chevy...it does the job.

[WB*aka*Soylent]

As an additional comment to go with my first posting at around 11:00pm I add this:

No Remington product will be purchased by anyone in my household again until Mr. Zumbo is off the Remington payroll. No publication will be on my coffee table again until Mr. Zumbo is likewise removed from the payroll.

I purchase and use 2,000 - 4,000 rounds of amunition every year for my AR-15 alone. At least another 500 - 1,000 in 9mm parabellum. God only knows how many .22LR cartidges. Until today, my .30-06, .30-30, and .25-06 ammunition has been remington. Also the few boxes of .38 spcl, and .410 ammunition have likewise been Remington.

"Give them the rifle, *SELL* them the cartridge" works both ways.

[anti commies]

ever consider moving to canada?
-or maybe china?

[Zumbo Hater]

You are a fucking POS, fuck you Zumbo, go suckle on Hillary Clinton's bosoms a little more, you uninformed fucktard, good day, sir.

[Zumbo Hater]

You are a fucking POS, fuck you Zumbo, go suckle on Hillary Clinton's bosoms a little more, you uninformed fucktard, good day, sir.

[John]

Fuck you Jim.

[Derby FALs]

This was posted by Grim on Assault Web. Sounds like a VERY GOOD idea. I don't own just guns, rifles, assault weapons any more. They're all "HOMELAND DEFENSE RIFLES".

I don't know where it got started, or who coined it....but the term "Homeland Defense Rifle" became a good laugh for us all. But after thinking about, I feel it isn't a joke. I feel we should go out of our way to make that a keyword amongst the Law Abiding gun owner/shooter community (and all splinters of it). Why? Well, because that's what they have ALWAYS been, but now a gracious and well defined name has come to light. If you use the term to the point enough, it will stick.

We all know that "Assault Rifles" by modern times definition is false. Assault rifle meant select fire...etc.....BUT a few Democraps and Leftwingers got a hold of it and plastered it all over till' it became a newly defined word/term. We embraced it mostly for the humor & shock value. "Yeah, I own guns, I have some old lever actions, a revolver....OH, and a few 'assault rifles' (then a good laugh as you mock the term)

But, its not OUR term, it was handed to us by the enemy to scare the sheeple. So why should we continue using it? I didn't buy my AK style rifles for hunting, I sure as hell didn't buy them for marksmanship related shooting events, I bought them as a tool of defense and deterrence to those that want to threaten me in any form, whether a criminal attacking my home or a power attacking my rights.

So I feel we should take this new term that WE chose, that describes OUR 'tools' for what they really are and have ALWAYS been. These, my friends, are the freeman's modern day musket. My dream as of now, is to see that this new DESCRIPTIVE DEFINITION, LABEL, TERM, WHATEVER be used SO COMMONLY that the lefties actually bring it up on CNN, FOXNEWS etc.... Let them scoff, let them 'spin' this, try to mock it, hell, LET THEM MOCK IT, BUT.....DON'T back down, don't flinch, continue using it till' it is forced into the sheeples mind. If the powers that be wanna use fear of terrorism to justify their actions, them I for damn sure will use it to CLARIFY my reason for owning these weapons. They expect us to shit in our pants.....they show videos of terrorists training with 'Military weapons', Well guess what, You can't put a cat in a dog fight. Lets use their "fear factor" against them, lets not only coin this new label, lets MINT it!!

From now on, every time you make a post, or are in a conversation with a sheeple or even a fellow Patriot, and the need comes to use the term 'Assault Rifle'----catch yourself and use the RIGHT term "Homeland Defense Rifle"......Put pressure on Major dealers to start using the phrase in their advertising,"ON SALE This Week: Homeland Defense Rifles..." Lets turn this tide in OUR favor for once.

Think it about......please, this is a bigger deal then you think. I know it sounds a bit silly at first, or even a bit pointless, but look at the BIG picture. The existing term was used to disarm us, as well as "Non-Sporting features/rifle" Let them try to deny us our "Homeland Defense Rifles" How does that sound. If it is used enough, it will be a forced vocabulary, the media will mock it at first or ignore it, but if we PERSIST without hesitation, then the term will be set in stone, as well as the hearts & minds of many. Please help me make this a reality

[RT]

Okay folks, now that most of you are on the same page.... what are you going to do about it??? (hint) GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!! In the mean time, make sure to get your wife, kids, friends, and neighbors out to go shooting. It is the only way to save your rights that will die in 08 if you remain quiet. If you don't do it now, we will all be sorry.

[freedom]

oh, thanks a lot.

I will make sure that the 10,000 rounds of ammunition i shoot every year does not have remington written anywhere on it.

[NMA]

The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. If your kind wishes to continue your hunting traditions then being on the side of the gun grabbers is not the way to achieve your goal. You are on our side right?

I would cancel my subscription, but I actually did that a long time ago when your magazine ceased being about the outdoors and more about advertisements and trucks.

[rjh]

Seriously where have you been? I used to use an AR15 for hunting before they became illegal in my county along with taking a deer with a bow and arrow which is also illegal. I hope you know what is at stake Sir. I will never read your magazine or any magazine you are affilated with. Say hi to Hillary for me.

[James Horton]

Dear Mr.Zumbo,
I would first like to apologize for my fellow gun owners, they have forgotten that in order to flourish we must educate.
It is readily obvious that Mr. Zumbo has his head up his fourth point of contact, and as such must be practicing cranial proctology, so henceforth in this lesson we shall forever call him Richard Cranium. (In case you cannot hear me Mr. Zumbo, if you will insert the short name for Richard and the common name for Cranium I am sure you will understand my meaning.)
That being said I will take you to task on your ignorance.
1. Can you define "Assault Rifle" for me?
Answer: An assault rifle is one which is capable of firing more than 1 round per activation of the trigger.
Does an AR-15, AR-10, DPMS LR-308, AK-47, or a host of many other rifles sold to the civilian population in this country fit that description? Answer: NO!!!
2. Can you define "Terrorist" for me.
Answer: A terroist is defined as a person or group of persons intent on enforcing their agenda on others by acts of violence or force of arms.
Does this describe the law abiding citizen in this country with a legally bought and purchased firearm? Answer: NO!!!

To sum up this first part 1.There are no assault rifles in the hands of civilians.
2. There are no terrorists in the woods or game fields.
Now to task with your agenda. Mr. Richard Cranium (Zumbo) What are you trying to accomplish? It appears that you and The "Honorable" John Cary, have alot in common, he says that our military is a bunch of uneducated boobs, you say they are terrorists, because Mr.Cranium, they do carry "Assault Rifles", although they are doing a job you are to old and to inept to do. Did you ever serve in the military sir?
Who will stand with you when they come to take your shotgun or rifle, after your comments I am sure no one that I know.
I cannot think of a more short sighted view than yours. I would like to further educate you on the rifles that are currently in use in the game fields of the country. There are many AR based rifles that are in use, other than the .223/5.56, there are variants in .243 Win, .260 Remington, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, .458 SOCOM, .50 Beuwolf, 7.62 X 39, .308 Win/7.62 X 51, .300RSAUM, as well as others, and do you know what those calibers have in common Mr. Cranium? Most of them can be chambered in the Browning BAR or the Remington 7400, both of which I would like to remind you are gas operated, SEMI-automatic rifles, whose design was based in large part on the Browning BAR of WW1 and WW2 fame. The same operating system of the AR and the AK. OOPS!!! They are based on MILITARY weapons and yet to folks like you, they are acceptable so why not a rifle that looks different, the AK and the SKS have wood stocks, that is not so different from the Browning and Remington rifles. It would behoove you to accept the job of staff writer for the democratic party, they often spout such uninformed and uneducated drivel as you have done in your recent post, it is just that you can spell better than they can.
On a personal note: Mr. Zumbo, I cannot understand you at all, me and my family used to wait to get your next video or book and we would all share them, it was you that got us into bugleing and cow calling for elk. You were one of us, a common guy that got out in the woods and made good doing something we only dreamed we could do full time, and did it well. You must by now realize that you have a offended a great many of us and it may not be repairable at this point, because as I sit and write this, my family and many families across this country are canceling subscriptions and destroying everything they ever had of yours. Do you remember "The Dixie Chicks" Mr. Zumbo? They did not care what people thought either, I have not heard much from them lately, have you???? I will also be sending a letter to Remington to see if they agree with you. Your words have shown you to be both a traitor and a coward. I will close by saying that if you were in my yard on fire, I would not let my dog urinate on you to put out the flames.
Sincerely,
James Horton

[Flaming Faggot Assholes]

Damn Jim, youre one of us.
Come to the other side.
Trust me, you'll like it, kisses.

[Ben]

I am suprised that someone who would support the 2nd amendment would write an article as you have. I have hunted with AR15's, Ak47's ect. and there is nothing wrong with that. By your term of an AR being an assault weapon shouldn't we ban your rifles with scopes as they can be classified as a sniper rifle?

Ignorance is now on you and shame on you for not supporting and defending the constitutional rights of all American citizens no matter how you feel about a style of rifle. I am suprised you would post anti-gun garbage.

[NMA]

Oh, almost forgot. I won't be buying a Remmy bolt rife as I had planned to this spring. I will spend my money with Savage, or maybe an old Winny. Not one penny of my money will go to Remmy until you are gone and that company apologises for your despicable actions.

[NMA]

Oh, almost forgot. I won't be buying a Remmy bolt rife as I had planned to this spring. I will spend my money with Savage, or maybe an old Winny. Not one penny of my money will go to Remmy until you are gone and that company apologises for your despicable actions.

[Yoz]

Doesnt look like this article is going the way you planned

[Jim Zumbo]

Fuck you, assholes. Its my opinion, if you dont like it, kiss my ass.

[Bill Paradise]

AR-15, a terrorist rifle.

Perhaps you are the terrorist (of the 2nd amendment).

The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. If you didn't know the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting nor is my choice of arms open for your approval.

[REM788]

Jim, get the FUCK out of Wyoming, you are a DISGRACE to the firearm community and to MY HOME STATE.

[Bill Paradise]

AR-15, a terrorist rifle.

Perhaps you are the terrorist (of the 2nd amendment).

The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. If you didn't know the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting nor is my choice of arms open for your approval.

[Steve]

Poor Jim ,
Im calling Remington on Monday and telling them Im now a Savage owner . Thanks to Jim .

PS Wendy's is hiring Jim .........

[John]

Why are you such a stupid coward?
You think throwing the semi-auto gun owners and the handgun owners under the bus is gonna save your hobby.
The Anti's want all our guns.
Divided we Fall.

[outdoor not]

Outdoor Life needs to reconsider the senility of their contributors. Zumbo is a disgrace to all gun-owners. Very poor choice of words--I've lost all respect for you Jim.

[Zack]

Jim, I don't know who you are, but I'm actually glad about that. I can't believe you could support the use of one type of gun but completely alienate those of us who shoot another type of gun. I tell you what, my AR15 is a sub MOA gun, every bit as accurate as a fancy bolt action whizbang "hunting" rifle. I have no problems demonstrating that, and people generally say something along the lines of "wow, I had no idea they were accurate like that."

I have hunted with AR15's. I have also hunted with AK type rifles. They work. Enough said. I don't need to invest thousands of dollars into a "precision" bolt action, when a $300 AK or a $800 AR will do the job just as well.

I will not be reading any more of your writing.

GFY.

[jim]

My inital reaction was disgust at your narrow minded opinion.
I would like to point out that ALL shooters weather they hunt or not PAY tax on firearms, ammunition and associated gear that goes toward game preservation.

Yet you will gladly sit by and let our guns be taken.

Who will stand up for your bolt gun when they have already taken my semi-autos?

I woulnt be there for you When they get down to your muzzleloaders either.

I dont hunt but you have inspired me. I am going to hunt Coyote and Groundhog With my suppresed AR-15 and a FULL 30 round Magazine.

I am glad I am not like you and hope that you will someday learn the meaning of personal liberty.

[Trey McDowell]

Bring back the AWB. "For Law Enforcement use only" is the way it should be. No one should have the right to own these. It makes us all look bad.

[Tim Kleinschmidt]

Mr Zumbo.

I love all 3 of my AK style rifles. I have taken my last 3 deer with one of them. They have the power of a 30-30, but are much more comfortable to shoot. I support your right to own a boring old bolt action 30/06 with a scope on it, so what the heck is your problem with what I own? I'm waiting to see how Remington reacts to your foolishness before I decide if I should buy any more of their products.

[Jim Zumbo]

Yawn...............

[Derby FALs]

That was pretty disgusting. Colonel Cooper would have loved this thread. Jimbo a HOPLOPHOBE! Who'd a thunk it? If, I hear about a retraction, I may start reading Outdoor Life again.

[eddief]

Because of Mr. Zumbo's actions in his blog, I will no longer buy, watch, or participate with any product that is associated with Mr. Zumbo. What a FAKE!!

I'm going to go buy a couple more AR's now!!

Eddie

[John]

"Bring back the AWB. "For Law Enforcement use only" is the way it should be. No one should have the right to own these. It makes us all look bad."

No, Trey, it's Mr. Zumbo's (as well as yours) apalling ignorance that makes us all look bad!

[Thuban]

Hunting rifles? You mean those ultra high-powered assassination tools you hunters use? Four or five times the power of the rifles issued to our armed forces and fitted with thousand dollar optics, those sniper rifles can murder people from over half a mile away. Rifles like that are the choice of hit men, assassination squads, and terrorists the world over. Not only that but these rifles use ammunition that’s been banned by the Geneva Conventions. This ammunition is designed to maximize damage to its victim. Unlike conventional gunshot wounds, hunting rifle wounds are usually simply unsurvivable.

Sorta pisses you off when you hear your favorite firearms described like that, don’t it? Well, everything I said is more true than the garbage in this opinion piece. Believe me, the gun grabbers of the world will come after hunters next. They will ban optics as the tools of snipers, then they will ban centerfire rifles that “can shoot through both sides of a bullet proof vest.” Then they will go after shotguns with bores big enough to be considered artillery. (everything over .410)

The shooting community had better hang together or we’ll hang apart. Gun grabbers want ALL guns banned.

[Jim Zumbo]

I'm Jim Zumbo, too.

[Leslie Green]

Jim, ya know, I feel for you, you are turning into that european trash that thinks only the rich should be able to hunt. I can't believe you actually put this where people can see it. A firearm is a firearm, all that matters is that it is fired from the shoulder. I thought you were a bigger man than this. OL needs to send you on your merry way. I have canceled my subscription because of your rant. have a wonderful day. Les Green

[Rob Chemberlin]

So, Mr. Zumbo,
Did you enjoy your career as an outdoor writer and hunting personality? Has the Clinton campaign contacted you yet about your next career venture? I have contacted Outdoor Life. I will be contacting Remington on Tuesday. Take your polarizing opinions and shove them somewhere... painful.

[J.B. Summey]

Uh, Brother Zumbo, I think you just shit in your Post Toasties.

[psr]

Well, at least I know now what magazine NOT to subscribe to.

[Ryan]

It is sad to see people like you Mr. Zumbo throw fellow gun owners under the bus in order to protect you "fraternity". The Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting.

[Dave]

Funny, I just looked at the U.S. CONSTITUTION and NO WHERE does the second amendment mention HUNTING.

Isn't that strange? I wonder what version YOU were reading.

Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance.

[Zim Jumbo]

lol

[Spurzmaker]

Quote:

Fuck you, assholes. Its my opinion, if you dont like it, kiss my ass.

Posted by: Jim Zumbo | February 18, 2007 at 01:13 AM

Well, your opinion just cost Remington my business also, and maybe my stores ordering anymore Remington Bullets, or Rifles.

You have done a great injustice to the american hunter with your wise opinion that is worth nothing now. You may now go away a discraced man.

Cranial Rectal Inversion Syndrome (CRIS)as I refer to it as. YOU GOT YOUR HEAD UP YOUR ASS>

Dude, that was a spoof.

[Big Mac]

I have never heard of you before this. I have never hunted and do not care for it too much save if I were to survive off of it. I own military/law enforcement style weapons save for one turkey gun given as a gift. I do not frown upon hunters, to each their own. You sir, have insulted everything I stand for when I prepare to defend my country in case she calls upon me. I am not a "terrorist", I am a patriot ready to die defending my country using efficient means to do so. The fact that you do not understand this deep commitment is sad.

Many people do not understand the duty it takes to be free. Freedom requires constant vigilance and a somber willingness to lay your life on the line for it. If you want to play it "safe" be a slave to the government. If you wish to breathe free air, you will pick up a "terrorist" gun and be prepared to take down both tyranny and invasion alike.

You are a disgrace to all those who have given their lives to this country past, present, and sadly future. You sir, should be fired. I definitely will not purchase a Remington firearm and will not read any publication with you in it.

Go to Hell (from an atheist no less),

Samuel J. Macon

[WR (rip) Nielson]

Jim,
Your out of touch. With your opinion,and statement. The Ar-15 in a Varmint /target platform is no different than a bolt action varminter,The difference being semi auto vs. bolt.

Both firearms are designed to slay varmints at long distance.. And yes both can be used to slay soft targets. What is the difference?

It has always been a custom of the American Sportsman to convert military rifles into "sporterized" configurations for hunting shooting comp. or just plinking dare I say Mauser. Or should I go back further into our American History of the firearm.

Before you slam on something that you dont know why dont you take the time to research, and get to know those sportsmen that you have clumped into terrorists. I would bet money that you would see versions of a younger you!

Do some trigger time with a ar-15 platform varmenter and see what you can do at 600 yards with 69gr Sierra Match Kings.

If you at least approach with an open mind you may find that you were wrong.

WR~

[Mike]

You Fudds are as much a threat to the 2A as the brady bunch. I can't believe someone like this would make the same argument the crazies in kali do, "OMG it looks scary, so it can't be good!". Even though we all know that they can shoot the exact same rounds with the same balistics. I'd rather have the better ergonomics of an evil looking gun over an uncomfortable traditonal stock. Thanks for being part of the problem.

[Mark]

Well, so much for that Remington Model 700 I was looking at. I'm voting with my dollar and getting a CZ 527 in the Zumbo-terrorist's caliber: .223

[WB]

Zumbo, your playing right in to the anti's hands. Stupid comments like you made causes infighting that the anti's can & will use to put an end to our right to hunt and own firearms. WAKE UP!!!

[samsong]

Nice work there, Zumbo.

Karl Marx had a term for dupes like you - "useful idiots." The term referred to self-haters a Communist could point to that would help them pull down their enemies from within.

You are a "useful idiot" to the manic anti-gun people.

Hope you're happy about that, Elmer.

[Dan B]

>>Fuck you, assholes. Its my opinion, if you dont like it, kiss my ass<<

Not Jim Zumbo.

[Jeremy]

Mr. Zumbo, while you were off blissfully hunting and ignoring what Congress was up to during the summer of 2004 the Senate was considering an extension to the ban of those "assault rifles" you want to yank out of our hands. One of the riders on that extension was going to ban ALL centerfire rifle ammo that is too "powerful", meaning as powerful as a .223 Remington. If this ban became law, Remington would have stopped making hunting rifle ammunition altogether, and YOU would not now be railing against the use of "unsporting" arms in the field. YOU would be out of a job, and crying about how YOU can't hunt with your prized bolt rifle. I've read a great deal of the vitriolic comments, and you deserve each and every one of them. I hope this adds some perspective to your position on gun ownership and why hunters who are ignorant about gun control won't hunt for much longer.

[Armed Citizen]

I won't support you or remington. Screw Outdoor life.
The Constitution protects my right to ARMS. I choose to use my ARMS to hunt.

There is no right to hunt. ONLY ARMS are protected.
I don't want to be associated with cowardly hunters who fear thier own rights protected by LAW.
We should work to end possesion of "sporting" rifles that have no Constitutional purpose or those that oppose the Constitution. Only ARMS are protected.
Cowards are not protected either.

[Troy LaPlante]

Sounds like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face to me. I don't use my AR-15 to shoot Bambi, and it would not be my first choice to hunt any animal. However, I find the desire to ban the use of the AR in hunting absurd and ignorant.

""I'm with Jim

There’s no rhyme or reason to have civilians with this type of firepower. It’s not something that you could ever possibly justify. It’s insanity and it doesn’t fit in society in any way.""
End Quote

And you call yourself a Marine that swore to defend the US Condtitution??

[John]

We're here, we're Geared! Get used to it!

[Ed Hoffer]

What amazes me is that you don't even know what an assault rifle is. It is not how it looks, A semi auto rifle is NOT an assault rifle, a fully auto rifle is. I agree with the other posters, you have done a great dis-service to the gun owners of america, and with the ego you have to think you speak for all gun owners and hunters is beyond words. With people like you, attempting to speak in our behalf, now wonder why people are worried about our 2d ammendment rights being stripped, on bullet at a time. By the way who is paying you?

Ed

[Funny Shit Man]

Man, this is some funny shit.

[Paul]

The AR15 was not designed for hunting. It's bullets are designed to tumble instead of expand. I don't understand why anyone would want one of these.

[Not a Hunter]

Another Fudd opened his pie hole for all the world to see. I hope the 30 pieces of silver were worth it. Enjoy your sniper rifles while you can.

Ain't the internet just a real bitch at times like this? You have no clue just how far and fast this is spreading. You sir, are toast as a gun writer.

[nmleon]

Mr. Zumbo,

I can assure you that the AR15 platform is one of the favorite rifles for predator and varmint hunting, the fastest growing segment of the sport of hunting. AR15s are used by thousands of the most avid and dedicated hunters on a year round basis, and for very good reasons.

The AR15 is inherently accurate, costing half as much as the typical blueprinted bolt gun of similar accuracy, and is very well suited to the fast action often required to successfully and humanely hunt predators.

The AR15 is in fact so popular for predator and varmint hunting that many of the major manufacturers make and sell "Predator" and "Varmint" models, just as the manufacturers of bolt guns do.

Apart from the valid points brought up by others regarding our 2nd amendment rights, you sir exhibit an appalling ignorance of the hunting community. It is a travesty that you are actually paid to write articles for hunters.

I won't be buying Outdoor Life again anytime soon.

Leon Rogers
Secretary
Board of Directors
PredatorMasters.com

[Lazarus Long]

I run across people like you occasionally, Mr. Zumbo. They always want to know why I "need" the rifles I have.

Fortunately, our beloved Constitution doesn't contain a "Bill of Needs".

I usually ask them why they "need" a huge 4-wheel-drive SUV, or a travel trailer, or whatever. And I'll ask you now, Mr. Zumbo, why do you "need" to hunt?

I have no desire to kill any animal, including humans. But I own military-style rifles. I have a desire to be as proficient as possible with these weapons, because someday I may darn well need them.

Let's hope you never have to find out why the people may need such weapons.

[MSP]

I was thinking of getting a subscription to outdoor life but if this is the "quality" of your firearms coverage forget it. I guess by your logic We should take away your varmint/beanfield rifles because they are "sniper" rifles. Gun owners like you make me sick! The rest of us are fighting to save the second amendment and your using it for bird cage liner.

[The Editors]

This shit aint funny

[GlockMan]

Mr. Zumbo

Are you a active NRA member? Personal opinion is one thing but your article lacks any corroborating fact which would support such a scathing attack on a semi-automatic rifle which has been proved time and time again as a fine competitive firearm not to mention many natural attributes for hunting small light skinned game. EGO does some funny things to the mind and it may be time for you to consider retirement on the journalistic level. I canceled my subscription to Outdoor Life and a letter of Protest will be faxed to Remington first thing.

GlockMan
Hi-Point Firearms Forum Admin
http://hipoint.7.forumer.com

[Kevin]

I'm about to turn 27 years old, and have built to Romanian AK47 rifles, and one Stag Arms AR15.

I guess it's pretty sad when a teenager can see through your garbage.

I must also be a terrorist, devoid of the fact that I love this country, and George Washington is me greatest idol.

And how much did Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington pay you to say this nonsense?

[Tony]

A gun is a gun is a gun. Regardless of the fact that it has an auto switch, is semi-automatic, or has a scary big magazine. The second ammendment specifically protects "militia" weapons, the kind designed for fighting, not hunting. But because every firearm has some fighting capacity, they are all protected.

We don't all hunt, I shoot for fun. I've no problem with hunters, and many of my friends hunt. But why should I sacrififice my RIGHT to bear arms because you don't see a use for them (ignorantly so)in a sport that doesn't have any kind of constitutional protection?

[ballisticbill]

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear".

Marcus Cicero, 43 B.C.

[Ward Parker]

I have killed many prairie dogs with my AR-15.

There are no assualt weapons, only people who would assault others with guns, knives, tire irons, etc.

Mr. Zumbo couldn't be more wrong. Just because a gun looks mean and nasty, doesn't make it so. The very rifle Zumbo carries with him is more than likely deadlier at longer range than any of the so-called assault weapons he condemns.

You would never hear Ted Nugent write such a counter-productive piece.

[Grunteled]

You know, I'm tired of defending what I choose to use in the field to the likes of the author. I've never ONCE advocated that the weapons used by others be banned because I didn't personally like them or see the need for them.

My hunting rifle is a .308 FAL. I comply with all the laws of my state and so I couldn't give a rip what 'Zumbo' thinks of it. We'll see who's left to stand with him when the 'everything but break action rim-fires ban' comes for his weapon of choice.

What drivel.

[Stuart Clubb]

Selling out semi-automatic rifle owners because you want to protect your own sport is about as effective as a Jewish informant working for the Gestapo.

The "gun grabbers" will get around to your "Death from half a mile sniper rifles" soon enough. It will just be a little bit later than everyone else in the firearm owning community that you probably plan on selling out. (Although I suspect PETA and their ilk will put a stop to your fetish for killing defenseless animals first)

Please be assured that I shall be contacting Remington to make it crystal clear that neither I, nor my family, will be buying a single Remington product until you either publicly apologize for your misguided comments, or you are off the payroll (directly or indirectly) of Remington. I will also ensure that your views, and their sponsorship by Remington, are made known to the 3000+ members of my local club.

[John Strahl]

Thanks for nothing Jim. "Outdoor Life" hasn't been worth a nickel since Jack O'Connor left, and you're one of the main reasons. You have done a million dollar's worth of damage to the Second Amendment. Congratulations.
John Strahl

[LongGun1]

"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."

Ring a Bell...Zumbo?

[John]

Jim's blog got PWN3D!!!!

[Austin Carnes]

I hope you've enjoyed your career, I think it's about to be over. At least, I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure it is. First, I am going to link this discussion in every firearms forum I know of. Second, I am going to personally write Outdoor Life and explain to them exactly why they should disassociate themselves with you immediately. Lastly, I am going to write to Remington and demand that they sever all ties with you.

Best of luck with the unemployment office,

Austin

[Dave]

The guy is another Bill Ruger.

HE needs to be banned.

He thinks that if he is nice...the crododile will eat him...last.

Hillary is not even in power yet and he is already 'kissing up'.

The author is a 'Vicci' collaborator.

[6guns]

I can't believe that in times like these when we face anti-gun sentiment everywhere, that anyone within "our community" would make such a statement. Tell me Mr. Zumbo, are you an NRA member? Being a gun owner I sure hope you are. If so, do you read NRA literature? Please, take some time to analyze our situation from all angles and protect all gun owners...including yourself. As others have already said, without unity, we will fall to the anti's.

[Surly in SD]

Sir,

With all due respect, you are a jack ass! If I'm going to assault somebody, I'll use a Remington 870 shotgun. You are definitely part of the problem and not part of the cure. Mentalities like yours rationalized the ideals behind NFA '34, GCA '68, MG freeze of '86, Importation ban of '89, AW ban of '94, and the complete ban of everything soon to come. You are a disgrace to the shooting community and a torrie by the standards of our Founding Father's whose struggle allowed us to have what we have. There were no compromises then and there certainly shouldn't be any now. If you enjoy what you do, do it! Don't shit on me for enjoying what I do which boils down to being the same thing.
I'll take any shot you can with your scoped "huntin' rifle" with my civvy M1A using the irons and maintain the same effectiveness with the shot placement on any game put before me at any range. The difference is I can attach a bayonet and insert a 20 round magazine on my rifle.

You're preaching to the wrong choir and perhaps you should consider relocating to a safer country, like Iraq, where the criminals aren't running rampant with assault weapons. Perhaps something closer to home like Los Angeles is more your speed. Everyone knows there is not an ounce of criminal activity there due to the restrictive gun laws that are in place.

I hope that all of the negative feedback you have received thus far will help you in removing your head from your fourth point of contact. If not, I'm certain the Democrats wil welcome you as a member of their socialist party. You have my condolences, as you really dont't have a clue.

[JB]

Perhaps the single most discouraging thing I have read in the past year. The RKBA is truely in trouble when this arrogant drivel comes from within the shooting/hunting community.

Outdoor Life will be the Outlaw Life if certain lawmakers had their way. I will now add Zumbo to this list of enemies of the 2nd...

[Mike]

It's a sad day when this type of excrement is printed in what I thought was a pro-gun Magazine. I hate to break it to you, but the Second Amendment is more about protecting the AR-15 than your typical Wal-mart Special. I've never read anything about hunting being protected in the Bill of Rights. The intent of the Second Amendment is for militia style weapons. Maybe it shoud read, "Hunting With Dumbo" at the top instead.

[yekim]

"The AR15 was not designed for hunting. It's bullets are designed to tumble instead of expand. I don't understand why anyone would want one of these."

I had to repeat this nonsense for posterity. The mere fact that such drivel was mentioned demonstrates the lack of education and hints at the total ignorance of folks out there. I find it utterly incomprehensible that such a statement such as this could be possibly made when it is more than blatantly obvious that .223/5.56 comes in a much wider variety of loadings than just about any other cartridge. This is like saying that 12 gauge is only good for birds. The utter asininity of such a comment even goes so far as to ignore the long history of military cartridges developing a following in the sporting world. You doofuses would probalby wet yourselves if someone had posted somehting similar about the .30-06, which, by the way, was loaded with a spitzer bullet which (OMG!) is designed to yaw (not tumble you moron) when it hits its intended target.

I realize now that I have used alot of really long words describing how stupid you are so in an effort to condense things into a manner for those of you who are unable to comprehend what i have said:

You dumb. You not know nothing about what you post about.

[FaucettB]

Jim I just turned 60 and served in the military during Viet Nam and grew up in the Army shooting the M-14, then the M-16, the AR.

I've been a bolt guy all my life shooting big game and varmints and even though I'm a bolt guy I know several folks that are shooting AR platforms every bit as accurate as any bolt gun I've owned.

Not only are they accurate and effective they can be had in calibers such as the 243, 223 and the fine 204 Ruger and more fine varmint calibers.

To say they are "Terrorist" guns is doing a real disfavor to the sportsman that use them for varmint hunting and exceptional target guns.

I can't believe a distinguished and knowledgeable gun writer, hunter and sportsman like you could overlook the shooters, builders and hunters that do use these fine accurate weapons.

[Mike]

For unfavorable remarks, regarding the utility of the AR-15; the outdoor writer, formerly known as Jim Zumbo...has now rightfully earned the title: Dumbo Zumbo. I hope you repeatedly fall off your chair Dumbo!!!

[Robert Shulka]

Sir beleive you are correct and terrist weapons should be outlawed Lets start with your wooden stocked bolt action sniper rifles. Also lets ban all sights for sniper rifles. Time to outlaw accurate ammo too. Only snipers and other antisocial people or terrorists need fire arms that hit inside a barn. Please send me Info on how to ban all firearms. Thank you

[JP]

I can't believe some of these comments. You people are way too paranoid. Do you really think the government is going to take away your guns? No way could they ever do that. You all arm yourself to the teeth with AK47s and M16s just waiting for a revolution that will never happen. Get a life.

Jim Z. you've been teh pwn3d!!!1

[BW]

Robert, while I don't believe there is going to be a revolution, do you honestly believe the government cant take away guns?

[Lee Stahlecker]

Wow, those are some really ignorant comments and obvious bias. Your story sounds like it was written by someone from the liberal news media, not someone who is an avid hunter and fellow gun owner. Writing ignorant statements like that does no one any good, except those that look to disarm we law abiding citizens. Dividing gun owners is a huge step in the wrong direction! It's too bad you are unable to see that, most likely through your own selfishness and desire to preserve your own hobby. What is the difference between a Remington Semi-Auto Woodsmaster .308 and a Springfield SOCOM II Rifle? They are both chambered for the same cartridge and neither capable of a higher rate of fire than the other. An AR is chambered for .223 which is an even smaller cartridge! What makes one of them a "terrorist" gun? Are you saying that the way a gun looks makes it a "terrorist" gun? Pure ignorance. Find a new hobby and lifestyle, we don't need gun owners like you betraying us.

[ar15 owner]

I like pie!

[Travis]

I used to hunt. A lot. Suddenly, sportsmen are pushing for more restrictions on the game you can take, to the point it is no longer "fun". I have hunting rifles and shotguns that I haven't fired, with no exageration, in ten years. License fees are rising, there is less ground and less game.
I shoot my AR (Terrorist Rifle- where do you come up with that, because it doesnt have a wood stock and blued steel?) and my pistols (15 round magazines, probably an "Assault Pistol" in your book, with no reason to be in a holster) practically every weekend.

A few more flaws in your logic-
An assault rifle is "Select-fire". Meaning it is capable of either semi-auto, or full-auto fire.

"Sporting Semi-Autos"- The Ruger mini-14 is functionally the same as an AR15. The Remington semi-autos fire more powerful ammunition than the AR.

"Terrorist Rifle"- A "Terrorist" is a person, an individual. "Terrorism" is the act of inciting terror, usually for financial or political benefit. An inanimate object (Rifle, Knife.......Toaster) is unable to act on its own, and therefore cannot be a "Terrorist".

Three people I know personally have just ended their subscriptions to OL. All because of this article. I hope the hunting career works out for you, because your magazine just lost a pile of money due to this stunt.
I plan to contact them directly monday. Remington will also hear from me.

You are no better than Chuck Schumer, Hillary Klinton, or Diane Swinestein.

[George W]

Survivor of Texas Massacre Testifies in Congress on "Assault Weapons" Ban

http://www.washingtonceasefire.com/content/view/23/35/

[George W]

Survivor of Texas Massacre Testifies in Congress on "Assault Weapons" Ban

http://www.washingtonceasefire.com/content/view/23/35/

Jim sez - Oh teh noes!!!

[Pissed Off Citizen]

Hey asshat!! Why don't you ask the citizens of New Orleans about what the gubment does when it is deemed "necessary" to confiscate guns. The gubment didn't pick and choose "hunting" from "evil black rifle". THEY TOOK THEM ALL!!!! YOU IDIOT!!!
RENOUNCE YOUR CITIZENSHIP AND GO TO HELL AND TAKE THE OTHER FUDDS WITH YOU!!!

[Todd]

So it is generally believed that you should use the most accurate rifle possible while hunting in order to produce a humane one shot kill, correct? If that is true then why would I not use the most accurate rifle in the most appropriate caliber that I own to hunt coyotes? Oh I see because someone who is led to animals by someone else who does the actual work of hunting feels that owning said rifle makes me a "terrorist."

This is honestly the most offensive column I have ever read, to call me, not to mention the thousands of men and women who have put themselves in harms way since the AR series was adapted by the US military "terrorists" because you don't care for the looks of the rifle they carry is completely ignorant and close minded. You have humilated yourself and a fine magazine to boot.

[Jim Seavers]

The second amendment gives us the right to bear arms. To the best of my knowledge it didn't specify what kind we could have.

Hunting is a priviledge that we can have if we hunt in a responsible manner. We need to follow laws, for example, that specify magazine capacity, etc for hunting. If there is no law that prohibits using a rifle to hunt with, then it can be used, no matter anyone's opinion, including yours.

You have done a great disservice to hunters and gun collectors, and you probably realize it by now.

One thing to remember: if we were to choose between diplomats amd riflemen to defend our every freedom, and chose diplomats, we sure as heck wouldn't be speaking English right now.

[Andy M]

What on earth are you writing Zumbo? You have no clue. You have now become one of them.

Your rifle is black and shiny. Does that make it evil? Don't get caught up in the Democrat's hogwash where a rifle is defined based on how it looks, not how it actually functions.

Heck, back in the day smoothbore muskets were the rage. Why don't you use one of those, instead of that stainless steel and plastic rifle that you are pictured with at the top of this page.

Your's is a bolt action, mine is a semi-auto, and they are both made of stainless steel, plastic, and aluminum. They are both tools, and you are a tool as well, in more ways than one. A tool of the left wing agenda, and a tool in general.

Pie is good

[John Whittington]

Mr. Zumbo:
Used to think you were cool, and had my kids watch your show. After this Sarah Brady immitation, we are gone...nite nite

[newbushmaster]

Spend just five minutes reading The Ammo Oracle http://www.ammo-oracle.com.

Fat Jim, you are the man version of Rosie O'donnell. You are fat, disgusting, and wouldn't know what the 2Amd. was if it ate your head like that Alaska brown bear did to that fag-boy Timothy Treadwell guy.

Go change your diaper old man, the leakage is as bad as what is coming out of your mouth.

Who has an email address for Remington Corporate office? I demand an apology from them and Outdoor Life.

[Brandon Mills]

The AR-15 and the AK-47 are the guns of choice of drug dealers. Do you really want to be associated with these people?

Hunting for a job, Starring Jim Zumbo

[Innocent Bystander]

You folks do realize that the posters name is at the bottom of the comment under the solid line, not at the top.

Dave Geisert, Gunnery Sergeant, USMC wrote the comments above his name, not below it.

Arfcommers, U Rawk

[american gun owner]

Geez guys! I understand your right to be upset with Zumbo over what you consider to be stupid remarks but this has gotten out of hand. He didn't murder anyone, he voiced an opinion. I know landowners who won't allow military style weapons on their property at all. I know they aren't any different than a semi-automatic rifle with a walnut stock, but perception is a problem with guns and gun owners. This public hanging isn't going to make anyone on the other side see any reason to not think gun owners are out of control.

[Steve]

With friends like you, who needs enemies? I own AR-15 rifles, do I go around shooting school children, or hi-jacking buses? No I don't, and neither do the millions of gun owners you have labeled "terrorists" simply because they own these types of rifles.

What is the difference in using an AR-15 for hunting, than a bolt action rifle in the same caliber? I honestly don't see any. If you do not want to hunt with one, then don't. Please don't encoach on my rights to do so.

[JB]

"I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods."

the stupidity of this comment must be preserved...

[Shawn]

You Sir disgust me. They say that gunowners are our own worst enemy. I didn't believe it until I read your ridiculous article. Consider my subscription cancelled, and I hope your career doesn't last long. With an attitude like yours, all guns will be banned in not time at all. Think before you write.

[Sam Alleman]

It's always nice to read an article where the reader finds out that he's a terrorist because he owns a semiautomatic rifle. Way to represent the shooting sports Zumbo.

[Sara Brady]

We are outraged by the increase in gun violence in America, especially the recent high-profile shootings at a mall and in a workplace. Unfortunately, incidents like this happen all too often in all parts of this nation.
All Americans have the right to be safe from gun violence in their homes, neighborhoods, schools, and places of work and worship and all children have the right to grow up in environments free from the threat of gun violence.

It is too easy for anyone -- children, teens, and troubled adults -- to access firearms in this country and the lethality of guns make death or severe injury more likely. This must stop!

[David H.]

It may do the author, and the corporation behind him, to be reminded that the 2nd Amendment is not about hunting rights in the least. He gets to keep his recreational rifles as a side benefit to the rifle as a weapon. Perfect examples of which are the AK and AR designs.

What he chooses to hunt with and what I choose to hunt with are irrelevant to the topic of gun control. If he wants to keep a nice bolt action rifle, he better damn well defend the AR with every last breath.

The pompous tone taken to imply that only his way is the proper way to hunt adds insult to injury.

AGO, its called a "fire mission".

[elguapo]

Sir, I have never met you, or read any of what you have blogged before. Good thing, cause I seriously think you stepped on your meat with this blog. Happy hunting!

[Sara Brady]

The Curly Shuffle

When me and my friends go out on the town
We can't sit still and we can't sit down
We don't like to fight and we don't like to scuffle
But we dance all night doing the Curly shuffle

(Hey Moe! Hey Moe!) Hey Moe! Hey Moe!
(Well, nyuck, nyuck, nyuck, nyuck!) Well, nyuck, nyuck, nyuck, nyuck!
(La da dee, la da dee) La da dee, la da dee
(Woo woo woo woo!) Woo woo woo woo!
Well, we never miss a chance we get up and dance and do the Curly shuffle

Well, me and my friends love Curly and Moe
We love Curly's brother, Shemp and his fat clone, Joe
It's such a delight to boogie and hustle
Dancing all night doing the Curly shuffle

(Hey Moe! Hey Moe!) Hey Moe! Hey Moe!
(Well, nyuck nyuck nyuck nyuck!) Well, nyuck nyuck nyuck nyuck!
(Wee dee dee dee, wee dee dee dee!) Wee dee dee dee, wee dee dee dee dee!
(Oh, a wise guy!) Oh, a wise guy!
Well, we never miss a chance, we get up and dance and do the Curly shuffle

[break]

Well, me and my friends, we all love to see
Comedy classics on late night TV
Those knuckleheads get in a scuffle
They push and they shove doing the Curly shuffle

(Hey Moe! Hey Moe!) Hey Moe! Hey Moe!
(Well, nyuck nyuck nyuck nyuck!) Well, nyuck nyuck nyuck nyuck!
(Look at the grouse, look at the grouse) Look at the grouse, look at the grouse
(Woof! Woof!) Woof! Woof!
Well, we never miss a chance we get up and dance and do the Curly shuffle
(That's right)
We do the Curly shuffle (What did you say?)
We do the Curly shuffle (That's what I thought you said!)
We do the Curly shuffle (ah ah ah ah!)
We do the Curly shuffle (Sointenly!)
We never miss a chance we get up and dance and do the Curly shuffle

[Dave Geisert, Gunnery Sergeant, USMC]

Innocent Bystander,

Thanks for clarifying that for me!! The hate mail I'm getting is pretty vicious,
& I 'm glad you all are giving JZ an equally bad time!

Semper Fi,
Dave

Brandon Mills- thats like saying that a Ford Taurus or Chevy Monte Carlo are the "Cars of Speeders", simply because someone drives them around a track on sundays.
The majority of Taurus and Monte Carlo owners are law abiding, sane individuals. The same can be said of those who own semiautomatic rifles.

[Greg in Montana]

I could not disagree more. Really speaks volumes about what Mr. Zumbo knows nothing about...Sad to see someone with such a strong voice say something so off base. What other semi-automatic rifles and shotguns will he say are terrorist weapons next? How about my Ruger 10/22 or my Benelli Semi-automatic shotgun. Get Real. An AR-15 is no more dangerous than any other rifle. The truth is a semi-automatic rifle or shotgun is a valued tool for the sportsman or woman. Hunting conditions dictate what firearm we choose most often. Jim Zumbo does not speak for all sportsman. I won't be reading any magazine that he contributes to.

[Josh]

I didnt know i was a terrorist. Here all my life i had been thinking that i was a responsible law abiding citizen of the greatest nation in history.

apparently the fact that i coyote hunt with an AK-47 makes me a blood thirsty terrorist. Here i was thinking that a mid power semi-automatic made sence for hunting fast wary game in dence undergrowth. Guess i was wrong.

Not only am i apparently wrong, but the fact that people use these types of weapons for sporting purposes seems to have no bearing on their effectiveness as sporting weapons. who knew.

Jim, you DO realize that your precious Remington bolt action designs are based off of the old Mauser actions right? You DO realize that such bolt actions were designed and used primarily for military purposes untill after WWII right? You DO realize that most of the common cartridges fired from these actions are either military cartridges, or are based off of military cartridges right?

Your precious "sporting" arms are nothing more than evil blood-thirsty "terrorist" guns with fancy furiture. ;)

[Christopher Quijano]

I would just like to remind Mr. Zumbo thar "AR" does not stand for "Assault Rifle". Although it doesn't look like the preferred rifle of Mr. Zumbo, they share the same purpose and intent, and will eventually be banned just the same if he continues to contribute more negative images of civilian owned firearms.

[Tony]

The AR-15 and the AK-47 are the guns of choice of drug dealers. Do you really want to be associated with these people?

Posted by: Brandon Mills | February 18, 2007 at 01:58 AM

I don't care who else uses guns I enjoy, I shoot for me, not for an ignorant ass hats perception of me.

[Christopher Quijano]

I would just like to remind Mr. Zumbo thar "AR" does not stand for "Assault Rifle". Although it doesn't look like the preferred rifle of Mr. Zumbo, they share the same purpose and intent, and will eventually be banned just the same if he continues to contribute more negative images of civilian owned firearms.

[Psywarrior]

Looking closely at your picture on the top, you are using a rifle with a synthetic stock. Pretty terroristic. Oh, it is a bolt action and not semi auto. The bolt rifle was developed for use by the military. Remember Mauser? Perhaps, you should be using only rocks and spears because all fire arms were originally developed for the miltary. If your problem is with the operating system, I believe that Remington has the 342 as well as other models and manufacturers that all make semi auto hunting rifles. You are showing ignorance of the equipment and bigotry against those that use it. So, I will no longer read any of your articles because I have lost ALL respect for you and do now consider your opinion to be garbage. As a fire arms enthusiast, you are too close minded and are no better than those that pass the unconstitutional laws that try to deny us our second amendment rights.

[Cosmoline]

Mr. Zumbo, have you been living under a rock for the past thirty years? I can't believe anyone who claims any level of expertise as a hunter or firearm owner could make such comments. You don't even seem to understand than an assault rifle is a selective fire weapon. The semiautomatic AR's that scare you so much are no different from any other semiautomatic rifle. So long as the hunter using one follows the fish and game laws, why should you care if he uses one?

[Jake]

Jim Zumbo is a better Sportsman than any of you all here. His choice in choosing better sporting firearms for hunting instead of combat type weapons proves it.

[WB*aka*Soylent]

"The AR-15 and the AK-47 are the guns of choice of drug dealers. Do you really want to be associated with these people?

Posted by: Brandon Mills | February 18, 2007 at 01:58 AM"

And what about the bolt action rifle that killed president Kennedy? Do I then assume that you and Mr. Zumbo are prancing around in the woods fantasizing about that particular act while you're carrying your precious bolt actions?

[Colin]

You have got to be kidding me. What do you think the gun control freaks are going to come after once they ban my evil baby killing AR15? That's right jackass, your precious sporting firearms. They will call them high powered sniper rifles capable of killing targets from miles away. Who do you think you are? You think by banning my guns you'll be saving yours? Get your head out of your ass.

[Jake]

Jim Zumbo is a better Sportsman than any of you all here. His choice in choosing better sporting firearms for hunting instead of combat type weapons proves it.

[Brett]

Mr Zumbo,

as a long time reader i am appauled by your comments. when you say "Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.", you are giving the left just exactly what they want. they will try to step by step disarm the entire US. what you refere to as "sporting firearms" will be on the chopping block at some time or another also...........i hope that you are happy that you have pissed off a bunch of firearms and sporting enthusiasts.....

[Offers]

A firearm is a firearm is a firearm...

To say an AR is not "good enough" to hunt is silly... as silly as saying that your rifle does not belong in the woods because it is not a muzzle loader.

So I dont have to rack the bolt... who cares. So you don't have to pack your powder between each shot... who cares.

Listen pal... get some perspective. We don't need to go putting a label on guns. First the AR will be called an "assult weapon" ...lets say it gets banned again (not that the ban did a darn thing except drive up the prices)). The next label is that your Deer rifle is a "sniper rifle" (your weapon becomes the next target)... if you can't see where this is going.. your head may just be up in a dark stinky place where usually toilet paper goes.

Gun owners ALL... we need to stick together to keep out right to keep AND bear arms. Let us not be divded.

Jim Zumbo is my daddy, and arfcom is teh poo

[launchpad]

Jim...You are a dumn ass...

[Chris]

I was considering buying a Remington Custom Shop Mountain Rifle this year. Maybe I will just hunt with my old style "assault rifle" this year (Enfield .303 British) and spend my money on a new AR15.

[Spurzmaker]

Jim Zumbo is a better Sportsman than any of you all here. His choice in choosing better sporting firearms for hunting instead of combat type weapons proves it.

posted by Jake

Since when did you Jake know everyones hunting skills posting on this board. I bet Jake can't make a 850 yard shot with a sharps rifle. So, does that make my Sharps Rifle a long range terrorist weapon JAKE. It still fires a freaking bullet you idiot. It's not a matter of what gun you shoot you Idiot, it still fires a bullet. Shotgun, 22 rifle, 223, 300 win mag, 270, 308, they will all shoot a bullet you idiot.

[Donnie P]

"The AR15 was not designed for hunting. It's bullets are designed to tumble instead of expand. I don't understand why anyone would want one of these."

Great. Another idiot that has not clue what he's talking about.

[Jack Jackman]

You make me sick. You're the worst kind of traitor to the second amendment there is.

[Greybeard]

Jim Zumbro is killing defenseless animals with a high powered SNIPER RIFLE!

These are the weapons of choice for terrorists the world over and should be banned outright!

Afterall we don't want to be lumped together with the terrorists who use SNIPER RIFLES, right?

Jim Zumbro is a dumbo.

[Joe]

Are you high?
Its Fudds like you who will sit quietly by while "evil" .50 cal rifles are banned because it doesn't affect you.
You will sit by while "evil" semi-autos are banned, because it doesn't affect you.
You will sit by while "evil" high cap pistols are banned, 'cause it don't matter to you.
And when they come for your precious hunting rifles, nobody will be left to stand up for you.

Go to any High Power Rifle competition and see what rifle rules the roost. There are plenty of AR's that will shoot circles around bolt guns and are perfect varmint rifles.

Do the shooting sports a favor and go collect stamps.

[Greybeard]

Jim Zumbro is killing defenseless animals with a high powered SNIPER RIFLE!

These are the weapons of choice for terrorists the world over and should be banned outright!

Afterall we don't want to be lumped together with the terrorists who use SNIPER RIFLES, right?

Jim Zumbro is a dumbo.

[JB]

Perhaps the numerous terrorists here should let Remington know we don't need their products if they stand behind comments like this...

Steve Jackson
Senior Vice President, CFO, Treasurer and Corporate Secretary of Remington
870 Remington Drive
PO Box 700
Madison, NC 27025-0700
Phone: 336-548-8700
Fax: 336-548-7801

"Geez guys! I understand your right to be upset with Zumbo over what you consider to be stupid remarks but this has gotten out of hand. He didn't murder anyone, he voiced an opinion. I know landowners who won't allow military style weapons on their property at all. I know they aren't any different than a semi-automatic rifle with a walnut stock, but perception is a problem with guns and gun owners. This public hanging isn't going to make anyone on the other side see any reason to not think gun owners are out of control."

Yes, perception is a problem. The realities of the situation have little to do with how policy is formed. That's why people get really upset when a respected outdoor writer like Zumbo comes out with this stance. Who's more likely to get quoted in the next NYT article on assault weapons-Zumbo or one of the dozens of hunting and gun writers who have no problem with ARs?

The Second Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting, folks, and the political forces that wish to do away with ARs and AKs are also very keen on tightly regulating the use and ownership of your 870 and Model 94. Go look what happened to the Brits. It's not about what types of rifles you own or what you do with them-it's about the fact that you represent the American tradition of marksmanship, skill at arms, self reliance and individuality that makes the condo dwellers who've never eaten meat that wasn't from Harris Teeter uncomfortable.

In his photo, Zumbo's holding a synthetic stocked, stainless steel, high powered rifle mounting a telescopic scope. Very similar to the types of weapons used my military snipers in Iraq and assassins around the world. Seems like the light weight, resistance to the elements, and hard hitting power at long range offered by that rifle make it a perfect choice for terrorists. Why does he need that to hunt deer or whatever? It certainly doesn't look like a tradional wood stocked deer gun.

[tom]

I can't believe what I just read. It's that elitist BS that will get ALL our guns banned. You folks are so much better than the average sheeple. You have set our 2nd amendment fight back 20 years, now the brady bunch can point to a man in the industry (see even he doesn't like those evil black rifles) RKBA is not about hunting. Now I have to add OUTDOOR LIFE and REMINGTON of all things to the long list of companies that won't be getting my money anymore!!! THANKS

[Dave B.]

I have an AR-15 that is twenty years old, and it is by far the most accurate rifle I own. It makes an excellent varmint rifle.

With good optics and good ammo, it will shoot 1/4 MOA from a benchrest. I'll keep it until I pass it on to my son.

I don't consider myself a "terrorist" for owning a semi-automatic rifle that can shoot a 1/4" group at 100 yards. And I hope that no game department or other government agency will ever tell me I can't take it into the field to shoot.

I was surprised at the language you used in your article. I'm also surprised the editors let you post it. You've alienated a large segment of the shooting community.

[Joe]

Yes, encourage people to only buy the most traditional brand rifle, to only shoot 3 rounds a year, and to not know a thing about their sport besides how to kill an animal at 75 yards that isn't moving. Great job.

Oh, and nice fake name. "Zumbo" hahaha How could anyone take this guy seriously?

[white beaner]

You're just an elitist pig who's only concern is what free new rifle or gear you'll be getting from the marketing pimps. That "sporting arm" of yours was built around a bolt action designed for military use. God! You're such a celf-centered quisling tool!

I'll never buy Outdoor Life again!

[Bryan]

"Geez guys! I understand your right to be upset with Zumbo over what you consider to be stupid remarks but this has gotten out of hand. He didn't murder anyone, he voiced an opinion. I know landowners who won't allow military style weapons on their property at all. I know they aren't any different than a semi-automatic rifle with a walnut stock, but perception is a problem with guns and gun owners. This public hanging isn't going to make anyone on the other side see any reason to not think gun owners are out of control."

Yes, perception is a problem. The realities of the situation have little to do with how policy is formed. That's why people get really upset when a respected outdoor writer like Zumbo comes out with this stance. Who's more likely to get quoted in the next NYT article on assault weapons-Zumbo or one of the dozens of hunting and gun writers who have no problem with ARs?

The Second Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting, folks, and the political forces that wish to do away with ARs and AKs are also very keen on tightly regulating the use and ownership of your 870 and Model 94. Go look what happened to the Brits. It's not about what types of rifles you own or what you do with them-it's about the fact that you represent the American tradition of marksmanship, skill at arms, self reliance and individuality that makes the condo dwellers who've never eaten meat that wasn't from Harris Teeter uncomfortable.

In his photo, Zumbo's holding a synthetic stocked, stainless steel, high powered rifle mounting a telescopic scope. Very similar to the types of weapons used my military snipers in Iraq and assassins around the world. Seems like the light weight, resistance to the elements, and hard hitting power at long range offered by that rifle make it a perfect choice for terrorists. Why does he need that to hunt deer or whatever? It certainly doesn't look like a tradional wood stocked deer gun.

[President Bill Clinton]

Did ya know there's a Maria Sharapova thread cooking in ARFcom Team?

[Robert]

Today I was out shooting and used Remington ammunition.

Because they sponsored Mr Zumbo I will not be buying any more Remington ammo or reloading supplies. I also bought a Remington shotgun a few weeks ago. That's the last Remington firearm I will be purchasing.

Since Remington chooses to sponsor an anti-gun writer they will get no more money from me.

[Robert]

Today I was out shooting and used Remington ammunition.

Because they sponsored Mr Zumbo I will not be buying any more Remington ammo or reloading supplies. I also bought a Remington shotgun a few weeks ago. That's the last Remington firearm I will be purchasing.

Since Remington chooses to sponsor an anti-gun writer they will get no more money from me.

[Jeff Christensen]

Jim,

Calling for a ban on rifles based on their aesthetics is absolutely ridiculous. It is the same thing *most* of us have been fighting against for many, many years.

They are no more dangerous than the average deer rifle; no more dangerous than the rifles you have at home!

What's next, banning certain camo patterns if the enemy is using them? Banning 50 cal muzzle-loaders because military sniper rifles are made in that caliber too?

You are wrong on this one, Mr. Zumbo. Dead wrong.

Regards,

Jeff Christensen
Everett, WA

[Greybeard]

Jim Zumbro is killing defenseless animals with a high powered SNIPER RIFLE!

These are the weapons of choice for terrorists the world over and should be banned outright!

Afterall we don't want to be lumped together with the terrorists who use SNIPER RIFLES, right?

Jim Zumbro is a dumbo.

[Deekin]

This is truly sad. damage done from within is ten times worse than out. I can not patronize this writer or his supporters.

Deekin

[Doug H.]

I just read the blog entry that Jim Zumbo had posted about AR and AK rifles. Jim, do you even know what an assault rifle is? Apparently you do not!

Examples of assault rifles include the M16 rifle and the AK-47. This is because the M16 and the AK-47 are selective fire rifles. The M16 is capable of shooting in semi automatic or in fully automatic mode, which was a 3 round burst when I was in the Army. Semi-automatic rifles, including commercial versions of the AR-15, and "automatic" rifles limited to firing "single shots" are not assault rifles as they are not selective fire.

Don't get me wrong, I hunt with a Remington 700 bull barrel 25-06 for deer, antelope, and coyotes just like a lot of Americans do. But when you try to divide gun owners of this great country by telling all of us hunters what rifle we should or should not be hunting with, then you sir need to have a "Hillary 08" sticker posted in the back window of your pickup. You're providing the anti-gunners with more ammo to disarm this country, which they are slowly doing every year.

Since you've called the assault rifle a "terrorist rifle", do you consider all of our US soldiers terrorists since they carry AR type rifles while they're defending our country? They will sure be glad to hear your biased opinion of them. Or was your statement just directed at all of us law abiding gun owners of this country?

Jim, while we're on the subject of hunting, when's the last time that you actually had to pay for your own hunting licenses and tags for each state that you hunt in? It must be nice to have sponsors to foot the bill for you, by supplying you with hunting guides, by letting you hunt on private game ranches, or purchase LOP hunting tags to hunt all the different species of big game that you get to hunt each year. All of that so you can boast or brag about it on your tv show. Look at me, I'm a great hunter!

In my opinion you're not a great hunter when you get to hunt for free with free hunting licenses, tags, rifles, hunting equipment, etc.

I have to spend at least $50 every year just to apply for big game tags to try and get a slim chance at drawing any tags to hunt any big game in my state(Oregon). Of course, my state doesn't care about the hunters, they only care about all the dollars that we hunters spend each year just to try and get the chance to hunt any big game. The fish and game department has restricted big game hunting tags so much, that the average hunter in our state would be lucky to get to hunt maybe 3 branch antlered bulls in his/her hunting lifetime. It takes approximately 10 to 11 preference points to draw a pronghorn antelope tag in our state. That means that the average hunter might get a chance at hunting 2 pronghorn antelope in his/her hunting lifetime in our state. This is from hunters that cannot afford to pay big dollars to buy LOP tags from private ranches, pay for hunting rights and guides on leased hunting grounds, or hunt out of state.

Wildlife management was never ever supposed to be about making money, it was meant for managing wildlife. The fish and game department don't even know how to manage wildlife correctly either, by letting the liberals in our state decide how they can control the cougar and bear populations in our state.

It's a sad world we live in today compared to 25 years ago. I come from a family that every generation hunted and fished. Now you can hardly get a hunting tag for anything. Out of the 6 big game hunting tags that I apply for each year, I haven't drawn any tags for the last 2 years. When my nephews get old enough to hunt and carry on the family tradition, there probably won't be any hunting available for them either.

[Greybeard]

Jim Zumbro is killing defenseless animals with a high powered SNIPER RIFLE!

These are the weapons of choice for terrorists the world over and should be banned outright!

Afterall we don't want to be lumped together with the terrorists who use SNIPER RIFLES, right?

Jim Zumbo is a dumbo.

[Jim Brady]

Sarah Brady wrote:

We are outraged by the increase in gun violence in America, snip.... and the lethality of guns make death or severe injury more likely. This must stop.....snif snivel..

Smoke another cigerette for me ok Sarah?

[Brian]

Chalk up another cancelled subscription.

Zumbo, you need to get the hell out of the United States, and go find a country more suited to you, you anti-American scumbag.

Pray you never need assistance from we so-called "terrorists", because you're likely to find yourself up a particular creek without a paddle.

[JB]

http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/

Wonder if these guys would appreciate being called "terrorists"

[Jake]

People who don't think assault weapons are more dangerous are fools. They hold a much larger amount of ammo in their clips. Letting the shooter spray their target with lead. Doesn't sound very sportsman like to me.

[Ben]

Well I guess I'm a terrorist then. What about my several AK types and FAL? I will never read outdoor life again or from you again Mr. Zumbo, looks like I didnt miss much.

[Sherrick]

I am a Police Officer in OK. I cannot belive a gun owner is saying these words. We don't own guns to hunt or even to protect against criminals. Although both are very good reasons to own a firearm. We own firearms to protect our rights. And that means law abiding individuals should be able to own which ever type of small arm they want.

[Daniel Drennan]

AR15's are "terrorist rifles"? You must be one extremely uneducated & prejudiced person. I pay pretty close attention to the news, and out of hundreds of terrorist acts reported every year I can't think of even ONE incident where a terrorist used one.

Also, if you have been brainwashed by a liberal anti-gun media into believing that the shape, ergonomics or magazine capacity of a rifle is what makes a hunter a 'good guy' or a 'bad guy' then you are truly a lost cause and embarrassment to both hunters and gun owners in general. The shape of a firearm doesn't make it or it's owner evil - the way a person uses it defines that. Tens of millions of US gun owners own such rifles and shoot them legally without hurting others - many of them are law enforcement and veterans!

Also, you call yourself a 'traditionalist' while concerning yourself with pandering to the anti-gun crowds viewpoint on 'sporting arms'. I hate to tell you but once the liberals ban so-called 'assault weapons' (semi-auto rifles that LOOK like military weapons but only make one shot per trigger pull) they will take your bolt-actions & shotguns as well. Don't take my word for it, take theirs!

And when speaking of 'terrorism', don't forget - the latest mall shooting was with a pump shotgun AND every day terrorists are using bolt action rifles to snipe at our soldiers. It's only a matter of time before liberals tell us they are too dangerous to allow here in country.

Please educate yourself on the type of red blooded Americans that own and use such rifles before you made broad sweeping generalizations about them.

[Jackal]

Nice, some of these idiot FUDDS still think a magazine is called a "clip". Also, WTF does hunting have to do with the Second Amendment? Most states limit 5 - 10 rounds on hunting rifles anyway...just because it is capable of holding more doesn't mean you HAVE to. ...and if your state doesn't limit capacity, then more power to ya, it's no one's business. FUDDS will be the end of "us" true supporters of the 2A. WAKE-UP fellow "hunters".

[Keith Schuch]

Why do you feel you need to torture and kill little animals? You don't need to eat them anymore. You should be target shooting and recycling the paper targets. Hunters are murders ! OUTLAW HUNTING. Sounds stupid well so does your article. Outdoor life Fire this idiot.

[Austin]

Yes let's divorce ourselves from freedom.

Get a life you commie shitbird. I took one of those terrorist M4 carbines and defended our freedom with it for a year.

Why don't you go fight for something and then come back and tell people why we should surrender it to the liberals.

We need to stand our ground and tell them "LIVE FREE OR DIE" because life is worth a penny and even less without freedom.

[Maria Sharapova]

Clips? Damn right, Garands are baby-killing death machines that deal out murder 8 rounds at a time - via a clip....

[NMA]

Mr. Zumbo,

In case you haven't figured this out, you have publically insulted a tightly knit group of over 100,000. Maybe somewhere in your dimly lit thought process you may remember what happened to Smith and Wesson when they sold out.

- NMA

[Mr.C]

Wow, amazed. Just got done writing a letter to ODL to cancel my subscription. Mr.Zumbo has just stirred up the pot hasn't he? How can he make just statements. Even worse, how are the editors at ODL going to allow this. I believe anything a writer says is endorsed by his publishers, unless otherwise noted. Terrorists use these "assault weapons" correct, and we don't want to be lumped together, so we must stop using them. Terrorists also use vans, trucks, SUVs, and cars as IEDs correct? So by your logic, we must rid ourselves of these too. Boy will my wife be ticked when she finds out I'm getting rid of her terroristic Expedition. Oh well, anything to keep me from being lumped in with terrorists right Mr. Zumbo. No I'm off to see about having ODL channel removed from my cable line up.

[scott]

zumbo, So you use a sniper rifle instead of a terrorist rifle?Your logic makes no sense at all.You are an insult and danger to the second amendment.I'm not a hunter,but with guys like you around,who needs ted kennedy.

It's gonna' be a little tough explaining to my 11-year-old why we're canceling his subscription to OL.

I guess the real question is what Mr. Z is being or has been paid to write this. I say that in light of the current move by Democraps to reinstate the AR/AW ban, but this time without a "sunset" clause. What's the matter, Mr. Z? Can't afford that next trip to Africa, so you took the blood money?

Read the Second Amendment again. Then tell me where it restricts what arms we have the right to keep and bear, or for what purpose we keep and bear them.

Some Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves right now.....

[Allen]

"Jim Zumbo is a better Sportsman than any of you all here. His choice in choosing better sporting firearms for hunting instead of combat type weapons proves it."

This above post is exactly the mindset I have a problem with. The type of firearm a person uses proves nothing at all. It is a tool to harvest game or rid a ranchers field of varmints or predators. If one guy does it with a bolt action and another with a AR-15, or yet another with a handgun It does not make one hunter better than another. That comment is way off. Allen

[Gang'sta fo life]

U be thinkin dat he be bad 'nuff fo a Fooo-Tay G-Lock?

[Brian]

I propose we ban hunting. There's absolutely no need for it.

You can buy packaged meat in the stores - red meat, poultry.

Hell, let's ban fishing - you can buy fish in the store, too.

If idiocy wasn't the antithesis of my being, I'd start actively working to ban both, just to spite you, Zumbo.

Fortunately, you and I are different - I'm not mentally challenged.

[C R L]

foolish firearm owner
ignorant 2nd amendment knowledge
sheep for the tyrants
shill for the anti-gun
coward

[Reginald Nunez]

I've never heard of you before, I see I haven't missed much.
I don't hunt with an AR15 either but I am insulted by your attitude and stupidity.

[C R L]

foolish firearm owner
ignorant 2nd amendment knowledge
sheep for the tyrants
shill for the anti-gun
coward

[Skishooter]

Take it from an Alaskan hunter, real sportsmen don't use scopes. Since you are shortsighted, I guess its ok...

[OneShotOneKill]

Jake writes:
People who don't think assault weapons are more dangerous are fools. They hold a much larger amount of ammo in their clips. Letting the shooter spray their target with lead. Doesn't sound very sportsman like to me.......

Something tells me Jake has never handled a firearm in his life, and lives with his mother still.
Sprying the target.... lol. If you ever get a chance to handle a rifle, you may notice things we call "sights" on them. If you line them up properly you hit the target. No need to spray...aim and fire. Like Jim, only no misses.

[spurzmaker]

Jim Zumbo is a better Sportsman than any of you all here. His choice in choosing better sporting firearms for hunting instead of combat type weapons proves it.

posted by Jake

Since when did you Jake know everyones hunting skills posting on this board. I bet Jake can't make a 850 yard shot with a sharps rifle. So, does that make my Sharps Rifle a long range terrorist weapon JAKE. It still fires a freaking bullet you idiot. It's not a matter of what gun you shoot you Idiot, it still fires a bullet. Shotgun, 22 rifle, 223, 300 win mag, 270, 308, they will all shoot a bullet you idiot.

[Chuck]

If you are worried about public opinion maybe you should give up hunting. After all, no one NEEDS to hunt and a lot of people dislike it.
And then you are using a precision sniper rifle to hunt defenseless animals. The horror. Those rifles are only good for killing things from a distance.

See how easy it is to turn even your wood stocked rifle into an something evil.

If you think banning one type f rifle will appease the anit gunners then you had better think again. They will continue to take ban one kind at a time until they are all gone. Including your hunting rifles.

Oh, and I will not be renewing my substription to a magazine that has you on the payroll to spew your useless opinions.

[Phill]

Wait until the antigun crowd comes for your bolt action "sniper rifle". You don't get it, do you? The liberal anti gun freaks want ALL of your guns banned. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM GONE.

I own everything from a flintlock to an AK47. I enjoy shooting all of them, and I and the people that I shoot with are certainly not terrorists (My deployed job is to fight them in Iraq).

I happen to be a hunter safety instructor, a competitive shooter ( I shoot hi power competitions with an AR15 at 600 yards with open sights), and an NRA life member.

You know where you can stick your comments.

[Jeff B]

SSSSSHHHIITTSTORMMMMMMM!!!!

[jb]

Perhaps these fine people from Remington's Military Product Division would like to know that a sponsor of Remington thinks they are producing "terrorist rifles"

It would interesting to see what their opinion is...

Michael Haugen
CW3 (R) USSF
Manager - Military Products Division
(P) 336.207.7180
(P) 360.458.6395
(E) michael.haugen@remington.com

Gregory Baradat
MSG (R) USSF
Military Products Representative
(P) 253.503.7129
(P) 253.3802850
(F) 253-267-5165
(E) gregory.baradat@remington.com

[Rabon]

Smooth move, Fudd

[Rambosky]

As a decorated Vietnam veteran and former Wash DC LEO, I declare you the first dumb ass gun writer of 21st century.

I hate to break this to you since you obviously haven't a clue of what's been happening in the last 20 years in your industry. There are other shooting sports other than hunting unarmed animals.

A lot of us veterans, Vietnam and those brave men that were over in the Sand Box who regularly shoot precision rifle and carbine matches.

Who the hell are you to get off telling me what my hobbies are or are not going to be. I personally find hunting a dumb animal who can't shoot back and defend themselves a joke.

By your stupid logic your "hunting" rifle is considered a "sniper" rifle used by terriorists.

I think it's time for you to go out in the real world and find out what's going on in the firearms industry or stop trying to be a gun writer.

[Greybeard]

Jim Zumbo is killing defenseless animals with a high powered SNIPER RIFLE!

These are the weapons of choice for terrorists the world over and should be banned outright!

Afterall we don't want to be lumped together with the terrorists who use SNIPER RIFLES, right?

Jim Zumbo is a Dumbo.

[James Sanders]

Mr.Zumbo, What a load of tripe and bilge mud you have seen fit to print.

I will not purchase a magazine, ezine, or any other material you are associated with in the future.

[Jeremy]

I can't express my disappointment in Mr. Zumbo. That such a respected name in the hunting field would publish such a short-sighted and offensive piece of drivel is a sad sign.

I'm sure no one has ever hunted with a military rifle before - surely the Mauser or the Springfield are only suitable for killing humans. What a terrible crock.

And calling the very arm that our fine military uses a "terrorist rifle" is an affront to every single American. Period. How utterly and despicably sad.

[Jeremy]

I can't express my disappointment in Mr. Zumbo. That such a respected name in the hunting field would publish such a short-sighted and offensive piece of drivel is a sad sign.

I'm sure no one has ever hunted with a military rifle before - surely the Mauser or the Springfield are only suitable for killing humans. What a terrible crock.

And calling the very arm that our fine military uses a "terrorist rifle" is an affront to every single American. Period. How utterly and despicably sad.

[jp]

Mr Zumbo,
You couldn't possibly need a high power sniper rifle capable of killing from 100's of yards away. Please turn it in immediately! Hunting coyotes? Do you eat them or do just take pleasure in senseless killing? Please stop this terroristic behavior immediately!

I am a hunter and competitive shooter. Unfortunately type of type of attitude is all to common. Sporting clays shooters don't see a need for handguns, USPSA shooters think hunters are fudds, hunters think anyone who owns a semi-auto is a terrorist. This type of divisiveness hurts us ALL when it comes to protecting our rights. United we stand, divided we fall. Your ignorant rhetoric just adds to the problem. Maybe its time to get a clue or move on and retire into obscurity.

[KangarooAr-15A3]

Mr Zumbos ignorance is staggering.
Once again the Fudds show how little they know and their lack of willingness to preserve the Second Ammendment.
Subscription Cancelled!!!!!!
This rag will never ebe in my home as long as this is the view held by your magazine!

God help us!! The Fudds are going to cost us ALL of our guns!

The ignorance expressed by the author and all who are "Fudds" is dangerous because it threatens the ownership of guns by the citizenry.

More damage is done by this type of idiot than is ever done by gun grabbers.

You sir are retarded and have now become another name to be held in such "esteem" as Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, et al.

Your ignorance knows no bounds.

Again, subscription cancelled, and I will forward this to EVERYONE I KNOW.

[Jake]

What if someone sees you in the woods spraying down a deer with an M16 and 50 round clip. Don't you think it makes hunters look bad?

[KangarooAr-15A3]

Mr Zumbos ignorance is staggering.
Once again the Fudds show how little they know and their lack of willingness to preserve the Second Ammendment.
Subscription Cancelled!!!!!!
This rag will never ebe in my home as long as this is the view held by your magazine!

God help us!! The Fudds are going to cost us ALL of our guns!

The ignorance expressed by the author and all who are "Fudds" is dangerous because it threatens the ownership of guns by the citizenry.

More damage is done by this type of idiot than is ever done by gun grabbers.

You sir are retarded and have now become another name to be held in such "esteem" as Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, et al.

Your ignorance knows no bounds.

Again, subscription cancelled, and I will forward this to EVERYONE I KNOW.

[Elizabeth Dawson]

I applaud Mr. Zumbo for the courage to stand up for some of us. I am glad he is speaking his mind! He knows the truth that hunting with machine guns is wrong. He is a strong voice for abolishing firearms. Most of todays weapons are too destructive! I think most should be banned. As for hunting it just glorifies killing innocent creatures. I don't care what people think I am afraid of guns and don't like them. Good for you Mr. Zumbo tell it like it is.

[Popeye]

I got here from a gun board link.

I decided not to renew my subscription to Outdoor Life sometime in 1968, therefore, I cannot cancel a subscription. Remington, on the other hand, will be hearing from me.

I have no idea who this Zumbo person is as I pay little attention to those who play at hunting and then publish their "exploits" for profit and to inflate their egos.

After reading the "article" in question and some of the comments posted, I can only conclude that this man has taken leave of his senses.

Mr. Zumbo, I strongly suggest you contact a medical professional. Medicine has undergone tremendous advances since you and I were young men. There are now drugs available that will make it seem all better.

[Gordon]

Please ban those high power sniper rifles there is no need for calibers capable of killing out past 100 meters. They are easy to spot look for wood stocks, steel barrels and the most dangerous ones have synthetic stocks. I know of one person who uses one of these sniper killer rifles Jim Zumbo.
How is that Mr. Zumbo remember first the assault rifles then the hunting/ sniper rifles? How’s Hillary’s campaign going? Are you her weapons expert or just a drip under pressure?

[Deekin]

What if someone sees you in the woods spraying down a deer with an M16 and 50 round clip. Don't you think it makes hunters look bad?

Posted by: Jake

Isn't it past your bed time ? Don't make us call your daddy !

[Janet Reno]

Two feets they come a creepin
Like a black cat do
And two bodies are lyin naked
Creeper think he got nothin to lose
So he creeps into this house, yeah
And unlocks the door
And while a man reaching for his trousers
Shoots him full of .38 holes

Its a saturday night special
Got a barrel thats blue and cold
Aint no good for nothin
But put a man six feet in a hole

Big jims been drinkin whiskey
And playing poker on a losin night
Pretty soon, big jim starts a thinkin
Somebody been cheatin and lyin
So big jim commences to fightin
I wouldnt tell you no lie
And big jim done grab his pistol
Shot his friend right between the eyes

Hand guns are made for killin
Aint no good for nothin else
And if you like your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why dont we dump em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me

[Esteban]

The Europeans consider Shotguns to be barbaric. Better give those up.
I'm pretty sure Sarah Brady would call your Hunting Rifle a Sniper Rifle. Better give that one up too.

Look up the term "Useful Idiot" and think on that for a while.

[spurzmaker]

elizabeth dawson wrote:
Most of todays weapons are too destructive! I think most should be banned. As for hunting it just glorifies killing innocent creatures. I don't care what people think I am afraid of guns and don't like them. Good for you Mr. Zumbo tell it like it is.

WTF: You are endorsing what he thinks, but you don't endorse hunting, Get your gurdle out of your ear, and put your teeth back in. Look what you just said, It makes you look like a total brainless blonde joke. Go somewhere else, and talk about perfume. You make no sense.

[KangarooAr-15A3]

Mr Zumbos ignorance is staggering.
Once again the Fudds show how little they know and their lack of willingness to preserve the Second Ammendment.
Subscription Cancelled!!!!!!
This rag will never ebe in my home as long as this is the view held by your magazine!

God help us!! The Fudds are going to cost us ALL of our guns!

The ignorance expressed by the author and all who are "Fudds" is dangerous because it threatens the ownership of guns by the citizenry.

More damage is done by this type of idiot than is ever done by gun grabbers.

You sir are retarded and have now become another name to be held in such "esteem" as Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, et al.

Your ignorance knows no bounds.

Again, subscription cancelled, and I will forward this to EVERYONE I KNOW.

[Yankee1911]

Nice job Zumbo. You've managed to alienate an entire group of people you should be thanking instead.

That's right. Those of us you so deftly (and daftly) label "terrorists" are the very ones who are most involved in the shooting sports. We're the match shooters, the Range Safety Officers, the NRA-certified instructors. We're the people bringing new folks into the shooting sports. We're the people who are talking with Senators and Congressmen when another attack on the 2nd amendment is launched.

But to you we are first and foremost terrorists.

Hopefully you and the rest of the 6-shot-per-year warriors for freedom never have to find out exactly how important we are to you. Because if you do, it means that you've gotten your way and our "assault rifles" have been banned. And if that day comes, Zumbo, I guarantee you'll find out exactly how far up the creek you really are. Because your bolt-action sniper rifles and your spray-and-pray assault shotguns are going to be next on the block and we "terrorists" aren't going to come to your aid.

[Frank]

Sir, when you imply that I am a terrorist because of my issued weapon at least credit me in your writing for providing you the freedom to say what you want.

[I'm in SHOCK!!!]

Mr. Zumbo, if you are such a "traditionalist" why aren't you hunting with a stick that has a sharp stone attached to the end of it? How far back do you want to conveniently go to support your educated opinion? I truly hope that Outdoor Life, Field and Stream and Remington feel the economic pain that you have caused. Simply unbelievable. I might have actually considered your opinion based on it being just your opinion, but you unwisely chose to support your opinion with unmitigated falsehoods while trying to impress us with "facts". Terrible journalism, Mr. Zumbo, simply terrible.

[Jake]

I would think a hunting rifle would be something that shoots 300 yards or less. You really don't need much further than that or you just injure the animal with a bad shot. Rifles that can take accurate shots past that should be for police use. No need for that for hunting.

[Jake]

I would think a hunting rifle would be something that shoots 300 yards or less. You really don't need much further than that or you just injure the animal with a bad shot. Rifles that can take accurate shots past that should be for police use. No need for that for hunting.

[spurzmaker]

Elizabeth Dawson wrote:

I applaud Mr. Zumbo for the courage to stand up for some of us. I am glad he is speaking his mind! He knows the truth that hunting with machine guns is wrong. He is a strong voice for abolishing firearms. Most of todays weapons are too destructive! I think most should be banned. As for hunting it just glorifies killing innocent creatures. I don't care what people think I am afraid of guns and don't like them. Good for you Mr. Zumbo tell it like it is. <

Posted by: Elizabeth Dawson | February 18, 2007 at 02:48 AM

WTF:Lady get the girdle out of your ear, and put your teeth back in. Go somewhere else and talk about perfumes, and blonde jokes.

Do you realize what you just said, You dont condone hunting innocent animals, and you support this DUMBO for what he said. How many live brain cells do you have in your head? He makes a living killing for MONEY with GUNS!

Get a life, and go somewhere else.

[spurzmaker]

Elizabeth Dawson wrote:

I applaud Mr. Zumbo for the courage to stand up for some of us. I am glad he is speaking his mind! He knows the truth that hunting with machine guns is wrong. He is a strong voice for abolishing firearms. Most of todays weapons are too destructive! I think most should be banned. As for hunting it just glorifies killing innocent creatures. I don't care what people think I am afraid of guns and don't like them. Good for you Mr. Zumbo tell it like it is. <

Posted by: Elizabeth Dawson | February 18, 2007 at 02:48 AM

WTF:Lady get the girdle out of your ear, and put your teeth back in. Go somewhere else and talk about perfumes, and blonde jokes.

Do you realize what you just said, You dont condone hunting innocent animals, and you support this DUMBO for what he said. How many live brain cells do you have in your head? He makes a living killing for MONEY with GUNS!

Get a life, and go somewhere else.

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[spurzmaker]

Elizabeth Dawson wrote:

I applaud Mr. Zumbo for the courage to stand up for some of us. I am glad he is speaking his mind! He knows the truth that hunting with machine guns is wrong. He is a strong voice for abolishing firearms. Most of todays weapons are too destructive! I think most should be banned. As for hunting it just glorifies killing innocent creatures. I don't care what people think I am afraid of guns and don't like them. Good for you Mr. Zumbo tell it like it is. <

Posted by: Elizabeth Dawson | February 18, 2007 at 02:48 AM

WTF:Lady get the girdle out of your ear, and put your teeth back in. Go somewhere else and talk about perfumes, and blonde jokes.

Do you realize what you just said, You dont condone hunting innocent animals, and you support this DUMBO for what he said. How many live brain cells do you have in your head? He makes a living killing for MONEY with GUNS!

Get a life, and go somewhere else.

[Jerod Willis]

Pantywaist said: "What if someone sees you in the woods spraying down a deer with an M16 and 50 round clip. Don't you think it makes hunters look bad?"

It amazes me that people posting here are uneducated enough to post things like that.

So called "assault weapons" (the type they are trying to ban) don't 'spray bullets'. They fire one shot at a time like any other legal rifle. They don't fire bursts and aren't automatic. Just because the magazine holds more rounds DOESN'T mean that the shooter is less acurate, or will use all of those rounds at one time.

The very first time I ever shot a rifle at 100 yards, it was an SKS/AK style rifle. Never having shot beyond 25 yards before, at 100 I was able to hit a 12" metal plate with EVERY shot using cheap ammo and iron sites. With practice that got even better; with quality ammo the groups tightened more; with the addition of a scope accuracy improved LOTS more.

The SKS & AK style rifles are very reliable but one of the less acurate 'assault' style rifles - and even those are PLENTY acurate for hunting, as the above experience indicates. Every one of my AK's or SKS's are more acurate than my Marlin 336 30-30 lever action.

[brad]

Traitor

[american gun owner]

What a bunch of chicken littles. Oh, the sky is falling, the sky is falling. I'll never buy remington guns or ammo again, I'll never read Outdoor Life again, I'll never whatever again. You people sound like a bunch of children who aren't getting their way. Grow up, shut up and go polish your bazookas. Zumbo's comments aren't going to get guns banned in this country but this diatribe of ignorance very well may.

[spurzmaker]

Jake, you will injure an animal at 50 yards if you don't know what you are doing. DUH!

A black powder rifle in a sharps model has a record shot at 1500 yards at the adobe walls incident in 1860. Are you going to ban black powder too.

Jake, get a f'n life. It doesn't matter how far it is. You can injure a deer at 50 yards and not kill it.

[Daniel Watkins]

"He knows the truth that hunting with machine guns is wrong"

I hope you people know that machine guns have been banned and/or heavily regulated since 1935! That's not the type of rifle being discussed here.

The so called assault weapons here in the US (AK, AR etc) are NOT machine guns, they are single shot per trigger pull just like any other semi-automatic rifle.

[BCD]

I just dont understand why the term "terrorist rifle" is even existent in this text. There is no diffrence in many guns that we see in our everyday lives. An AR, AK, mini 14, Remington 700. They all do the same thing. So why would you have the audacity to insult and anger your own people. Apparently you have some unresolved hatred for the owners of firearms that dont suit your fancy. If I put a synthetic stock on your "sniper weapons" would they automatically be that much more deadly, or would "terrorists be compelled to use them?. I submit not. Its people like you that split the firearms community into cliques. I say we stand together , we fall together, but it seems that you let personal agendas get in the way of the fundamental ideals of most of the firearms community. You always hear of people jumping on people who use "assault weapons" but if you look at the numbers (which I have extensively) more people are killed by "sporting weapons" every day. So I leave you with this thought. Why? why must people be so scared of an AR but not a Savage rifle? both can kill just the same.

[A very disappointed gun owner]

Blanketly calling AR and AK rifles "terrorist" or assault rifles shows that you're either very ignorant or have fallen for the lies/propaganda of the VPC and the Brady Campaign. I'm appalled that a fellow gun owner has perpetuated the kind of irrational foolishness that I and other gun owners have fought against for so many years.

I'm not a hunter, but I've always argued that we should never support laws that screw with hunters because such laws ultimately screw with ALL gun owners. Mr. Zumbo, you've just made it harder for me to give a damn.

[Dan]

It's the same misguided logic most liberals use as they are under the impression that you can stop people from killing each other if we blame it on a certain weapon or type of weapon.Do you recall the first murder took place witout a firearm?Get real you Libtard, if all we had was rocks and sticks do really think it would stop violence?You can be the first to ban sticks over 1 foot and put a stop to all this madness,thank goodness for smart people like you.

IBTL

[Jake]

Maybe some of us think it is a bad idea for hunters to walk around in the woods looking like Rambo.

[JohnD]

Wow..just wow...

So I guess this means I sell "terrorist" weapons to the public now?

Subscription CANCELLED.

[american gun owner]

And another thing, I have poopy pants will someone please change my diaper!

[Nathanael Roberts]

I am appalled by the lack of judgement shown both by the writer and the editor until I would like to see an apology to the shooting community from outdoor life .By the way I hunt with my ar15

Maybe some of us think it is a bad idea for hunters to walk around in the woods looking like Rambo.

Posted by: Jake

You sir are the by-product of selective inbreeding !

"Hunting Fraternity"?

Get over it, gramps. We are all in this together- be it hunters, shooters, or plinkers. You divide us with your above blog when you should be strengthening and uniting us. Next, you will be complaining about using shotguns because of the negative press from the recent, tragic Salt Lake City shooting. Help protect the 2nd amendment, don't rot it from the inside. If not, time for you to retire.

Arch

[NMA]

Jake again enlightens us:
Maybe some of us think it is a bad idea for hunters to walk around in the woods looking like Rambo.

Who cares what you think? If someone is obeying the law then who cares? Maybe people shouldn't go into the woods dress in ghille suits like snipers for deer hunting, eh? Since you own no firearms, and do not hunt, you have nothing to add besides expounding your ignorance. Now go to bed little man.

[JOSEPH WING]

Hi Jim- I am a fan of yours,but disagree with your stand on this topic.-joe

[Mikeinflorida]

Your just saying that because Remington can't sell their 100+ year old designs with all the modern firearms that their competitors are coming out with.

That said, if you or any other hunter group manage to get my rifles banned. I WILL drag you down with me, I will join the Brady campaign just so you lose yours too. And I will make it my lifes work to ruin EVERYONE involved with the ban.

MESSAGE TO ALL FUDDS:

Repeat after me,
A CLIP IS NOT A MAGAZINE and A MAGAZINE IS NOT A CLIP, BUT BOTH HOLD AMMUNITION!!

[Kevin]

Jake...youre an idiot, stop yourself before you hurt yourself....do some real research and get out and see for yourself before you write anymore.

[spurzmaker]

Jake, your genes are breeding again. It's not really about the assault rifle, it is about the rifle itself.
You missed the train on that one. the rifle, dim wit is using in his photo at the top of the page if you haven't looked will kill up to 500 yards no problem. Now you are saying to ban rifles over 300 yards. What are you going to do load a sling shot with a rock.

Go fishing, and leave the hunting to us men, and qualified others.

[HammerHead]

I have just read the Zumbo article, and cannot express my utter disgust at the ignorance and arrogance displayed by Mr. Zumbos' remarks! I have been a hunter and sport shooter all my life. Over the years I have acquired many handguns, shotguns, and rifles, including a couple of AK clones, and AR-15s, (or in Zumbos' words, "Assualt Weapons").
But what about my old Remington 742? It really doesn't look or function that much different than my SAR-1, and it shoots a much more powerfull 30-06 cartridge. Is that an "assualt rifle"? What about my Ruger 10/22? I even have a few 30 round magazines, (that's clips for you Fudds), somewhere in the bottom of my gun vault. And what about my Browning A5, or my Remington 870 and Mossberg 835? Guess I'll have to turn them in, too.
Sorry, Jim, but I can't do that. All of my weapons are tools, and each has a purpose. Some have specific purposes, and some are multi-purpose. Some simply serve to make me smile when I shoot them. But I will fight for my right to own ALL of them.
The divisiveness of Zumbos' remarks are poisonous, and more dangerous to our 2A rights than anything the Brady Bunch can throw at us. If we want to continue to enjoy our 2A rights, all sportsmen, hunters, sport shooters, collectors, and even evil black rifle owners will have to put aside the yours/mine attitude and stand as one. We, as firearms owners, are all in the same boat. Unfortunately, Mr. Zumbo has just shot a very large hole in it's bottom.

[Randy]

I think any gun that is legal to hunt with should not be put down and I also think that if Mr Zumbo wants to continue making a living hunting and making his shows in this free country he should better think his comments. It is only a terrorist gun in the hands of a terrorist.

[David E]

Jim, you ignorant slut.

Don't you know that your sniper, I mean, 'hunting' rifle is next on the list?

Didja know that the Second Amendment is NOT about "sporting guns?"

Get a clue already.

[H. Harman]

I hope this SOB is laying awake late night worrying about these responses and how it may affect his job. Even better I hope he gets pulled into a big office to sit infront of a big chair to explain to some big wig what the hell was going through his mind to word his opinions in such a manner. We are all entitled to our opinions, but he very well could have worded it less hostile and insulting and still have gotton his opinion accross to his readers. Maybe this is a lame ass attempt at a publicity stunt. I mean links to this are popping up all over forums, but the outcome isn't looking too good so far. Maybe he will be getting checked into DETOX center soon and will be all better in a couple months when the crack is out of his system. Once upon a time I respected you and your words. Now I am ashamed to have ever spoken you name in a conversation.

[mitch shrader]

As happens, my tastes run close to yours on firearms, and my opinions about the PERSONAL need for an AR (in hunting) are somewhat similar to yours, and my opinion of your ARTICLE is you are less than acute.

MY opinion of firearms is that they are tools to accomplish purposes, and I have the ones I choose and give you that equal privilege. Don't tell me what to shoot and I shant attempt to tell YOU what to shoot.

If you like muzzle loaders, or full auto, I have no opinion about your choices. Equally if you like big 50's or .177 VMax i have no opinion. Single Shot or 100 round magazines, tisn't my place to define your enjoyment.

Whereas, you seem to think it' appropriate to cast from on high your somehow sanctified opinion as if no one else had the capacity to run their own life. WhatEVER did they do without you?

For all my personal lack of interest in evil black rifles per se, and for all my personal mistrust of those who fondle and drool on them incessantly..

i must say you have offended ME deeply and with somewhat more evenhanded restriction of your opinions you might've acquired an ally.

if i could ban evil black rifles or sanctimonious overstuffed jerks i know which one would be most satisfying..

guys who push against the first amendment THAT hard oughta be darn glad the second one is holding it up.

[Rambosky]

Jim,

I hate you ask this. It might make you appear to be stupid but... do you know the difference between a automatic and a semi automatic.

Do you know that real assault rifles are full automatics, not semi. AR's are semi autos that have the apprarance of the military M16.

So your saying that if you don't like the way a rifle "looks" it should be banned?

Yes, your are a dumb ass and need to find another ocupation. Maybe you can write about the shopping carts that they have at Walmart as you hand them out to shoppers

[Gary]

Nothing wrong with using a semiautomatic weather proof rifle in the woods.

You sir have lost your credibilty.

[Kev Kline]

Very dumb Jim. Very dumb. Do not expect assistance when they come for your high powered bolt action sniper rifles.

This article is about the most ignorant I have read. "terrorist" rifles indeed!

[Colonel Daddy]

Sir, do you realize the harm you've done to the gun fraternity and to the Spirit of 2A?
Do you realize that you have joined the likes of the Brady Bunch and that Nancy Pelossi will be dancing in the isles because of your comments?

Wow, you seemed to have made quite a few friends here Jim.

Narrowmindedness and myopia have no place in journalism - you have of course given shelter to both.

Well holy hell Jim!! If I understand what you are saying, then you should give up your bolt gun. The receivers of most bolt guns are based on the Mauser action. The Mauser was a WAR RIFLE used to kill humans. And you should only use iron sights because SCOPES were used on those WAR RIFLES to kill humans. You should go back to using sticks and stones and snares to catch/kill game. BTW, I believe that most hunters don't hunt to survive and I believe that hunting should be outlawed because we can buy food at the store. STUPID IDIOT!!

[Chad]

Was thinking of subscribing too OL but after reading this article that won't be happening. Sounds like the Remington boys are feeling a pinch from the exploding new military rifle market and had Mr. Zumbo try and lend them a hand. Too bad, guess I'll have too buy another Bushmaster instead of a new Remington. Then again what does my opinion matter, I own an Ar15 so apparently I must be a terrorist!

News flash asshole, you are part of the problem. Who's pay-role are you on?

[Jake]

Why are you people so scared the government is going to take your guns?

[Greg from Montana]

Jim Zumbo-
I see you have a new bunch of strong supporters! Just what you were after I bet! I bet next time if your so lucky you might do a little bit more research?

"Elizabeth Dawson wrote:

I applaud Mr. Zumbo for the courage to stand up for some of us. I am glad he is speaking his mind! He knows the truth that hunting with machine guns is wrong. He is a strong voice for abolishing firearms. Most of todays weapons are too destructive! I think most should be banned. As for hunting it just glorifies killing innocent creatures. I don't care what people think I am afraid of guns and don't like them. Good for you Mr. Zumbo tell it like it is"

I am glad to see your people coming out to support you. I think most in the shooting industry just found out all we needed to know. Greg

[Greg Petrus]

Mr. Zumbo, while you were off blissfully hunting and ignoring what Congress was up to during the summer of 2004 the Senate was considering an extension to the ban of those "assault rifles" you want to yank out of our hands. One of the riders on that extension was going to ban ALL centerfire rifle ammo that is too "powerful", meaning as powerful as a .223 Remington. If this ban became law, Remington would have stopped making hunting rifle ammunition altogether, and YOU would not now be railing against the use of "unsporting" arms in the field. YOU would be out of a job, and crying about how YOU can't hunt with your prized bolt rifle. I've read a great deal of the vitriolic comments, and you deserve each and every one of them. I hope this adds some perspective to your position on gun ownership and why hunters who are ignorant about gun control won't hunt for much longer.

[CCarls]

Mr. Zumbo,
I can make my peace with your opinion and chalk it up to ignorance and resistance to change. What I can not make piece with however is your use of resources made available by the support of so many people who are avid supporters of the very rifle you call a "terrorist rifle". If you insist on broadcasting your ignorant views please utilize another more appropriate method. To make matters worse you flaunt your association with a Remington executive amongst your disparaging remarks. If you feel the AR15 is a "terrorist rifle" maybe you would care to take a look at Remington's product line and consider the 870 and 11-87 tactical models they offer. Are these weapons more worthy in your mind? I view them as the same. Also consider the ammunition lines of 5.56x45 specifically aimed at these weapons. If you feel this way maybe you should stop associating with a company that provides "terrorist weapons". I will no longer support Outdoor Life as long as they provide you a tool to convey your disparaging remarks and I know plenty others feel the same way. Did you honestly feel that these comments would be well received?

Maybe you should take some time and educate yourself on the AR15 and your beloved public relation friendly "sporting firearms" as it seems your views merely illustrate an ignorance of all things firearms related. I would have expected better from someone in your position.

I've personally been hunting with an AR15 for quite some time. I've utilized it's benefits primarily for varmint hunting and it has served me very well. The AR platform lends itself well to accurate shooting and I've delivered accurate hits at over 300yds on coyotes. The inline bore design of the AR allows for excellent recoil characteristics and puts me back on target quickly. Furthermore the semi-automatic action prepares me for a follow up shot faster than any bolt action without the need to change my position. Surely you can appreciate the advantages of an amazingly quick follow up shot should the need arise. As a responsible hunter I don't let the weapons abilities encourage me to make less desirable shots, in fact I hunt in the same manner as with a bolt action. I merely utilize the weapons abilities to augment my shooting to ensure a quick and humane kill as is my goal. As a supposed hunting professional you would do well to investigate the advantages of the weapon platform and considering utilizing it to improve your own responsibility as a hunter.

Your statements clearly illustrate a resistance to change as the AR represents the next step in weapons technology. The benefits I listed are a product of advances in technology. Like it or not weapons are going to advance regardless of your views on what is appropriate. Ironically your beloved bolt actions are also a product of weapons technology and where once a feared weapon that could have easily been deemed an "assault weapon" or "terror rifle". It all depends on your perspective. British military used the advantages afforded by bolt action rifles to massacre native residents of African colonies during uprisings. Ironically it was the higher rate of fire afforded by the bolt actions that allowed for the wholesale slaughter of natives. Lever-action rifles served a similar roll in US military history against Native Americans. Similar accounts can be given for every stage of firearm development. Each weapon was considered terrifying in function and appearance among many. Your just another stage in the resistance to change.

The real question is where do you draw the line? What made you chose the AR as the breaking point? I say if you say the AR is too much why not go back to trapdoor carbines? What about muzzleloaders? Bows? How about a spear? Each weapon is just another stage in development, why is the AR over the line? I imagine you find the AR offensive, whether your aware of it or not, because it is the next stage beyond the era into which you were born. That seems like an awfully ignorant position don't you think?

Other people have already cited your positions detrimental impact on gun ownership rights in the US and the slippery slope you are supporting so I won't beat a dead horse however there is something else you should consider. Civilian purchases of firearms, particularly ARs, supports the research and development and production of weapons for law enforcement and military. Civilian revenue allows for the deeply discounted weapons provided to government contracts as a result of the relatively high price we pay for the same weapons, thereby differing costs. By nature, government contracts are only occasionally awarded, often requiring large volumes in a timely manner. Firearms companies like Rock River Arms, Bushmaster, Remington, and many others would not be able to conduct the R&D neccesary to be competitive and maintain the high volume capabilities required to turn out government contracts in a timely manner. There are a couple companies out there, Heckler&Koch and FN Herstal come to mind, that would be able to maintain contract readiness without civilian support but they are few and far between and are only capable of such due to their domination of domestic and foreign markets in the area. The endless aray of weapons available as well as the competition provided by the support of civilian customers ensures the quality of arms utilized by our military and police departments. Your short sighted comments only serve to hurt this special ability afforded by our constitution that makes our country so great.

In the future I urge you to educate yourself on the amazing new technologies available to modern sportsman and the impact of these technologies on the bigger picture. If you find it appropriate to remain ignorant to these issues at the very least don't pass on you beliefs and present them as the gospel truth in a forum provided by those you speak against. I would also urge the editors of your publication and the executives of the companies you claim association to remain mindful of their audience and discontinue their support of your appaling agenda. I will certainly discontinue my support of them as long as they utilize that support to support you in your current way of thinking.

[spurzmaker]

jake wrote:

Why are you people so scared the government is going to take your guns?

cause of you and bozo the clown there wanting to put restrictions on what we do in a free country. JAKE, now go to bed its past your bed time little boy.

You should be in the sand box right now learning what a free country is about. I did!!!

[Greg Petrus]

Mr. Zumbo, while you were off blissfully hunting and ignoring what Congress was up to during the summer of 2004 the Senate was considering an extension to the ban of those "assault rifles" you want to yank out of our hands. One of the riders on that extension was going to ban ALL centerfire rifle ammo that is too "powerful", meaning as powerful as a .223 Remington. If this ban became law, Remington would have stopped making hunting rifle ammunition altogether, and YOU would not now be railing against the use of "unsporting" arms in the field. YOU would be out of a job, and crying about how YOU can't hunt with your prized bolt rifle. I've read a great deal of the vitriolic comments, and you deserve each and every one of them. I hope this adds some perspective to your position on gun ownership and why hunters who are ignorant about gun control won't hunt for much longer.

[Joshua Howell]

Jim Zumbo's morning:

ODL= outdoor life

*ring ring
Jim: Jim speaking.....
ODL: Jim, your fired
Jim: Sir, what do you mean I'm fired?
ODL: Jim, have you seen your blog?
JIM: Whats a blog? You mean the intranet?
ODL: Have you been smoking pot again Jim?
JIM: I thought they legalized pot?
ODL: Jim, stfu. Do you see how many subscriptions we've lost because of your bullshit sellout?
Jim: (background noise: Diane, go back to bed...it's just work) Uh No. Lemme check here on my computerater.....
Jim: Oh snap.
ODL: Yeah, snap alright.
Jim: Does this mean you aint paying for me to shoot them thar elk and deers in them big pens this year so it looks like my fat ass can walk up and down them dar heels?"
ODL: Yes jim you high fence fucktard, fired means your fired. No more hunting on our coin and no more Ms. Feinstein under your desk.
Jim: Well, we can still date right?
ODL: Jim, you'll have plenty of spare time on your hands soon, so if you can pick her out of your fat ass crack you can do whatever you want. Besides...why would I care.... Your fired......Dumbass.....
Jim: Thanks sir, I was worried about that.....Fired, really?
ODL: Geezus Jim, you really are an idiot......
Jim: Well look how many people agreed with me
ODL: Two Jim, Two. 7698 people thought you was a sellout.
Jim: Well, ain't that like 20% or something?
ODL: No Jim....It's like .002%
Jim: damn.
ODL: I'm hanging up now.....We're using your last paycheck to clean the crusties off the floor under your desk that Ms Feinstein left there...damn spitters anyways..
Jim: My Diane would never do that!!
ODL: Click

ten minutes later......

ring ring*

Jim: Jim speaking.....
Remington: Jim, wtf were you thinking?
Jim: I don't know sir.....I did just what Diane told me to do...she said it would make me famous......
Rem: Well, your famous now alright. Your on every internet gun sight on the planet.......hope your happy.
Jim. uh.......I don't know what to say......
Rem: You do know we sell more .223 ammo than all the other ammo combined right?
Jim: uh.............
Rem: Are you listening to me you fat slob? Blaming AR15's on terrorism and the demise of hunting is like blaming a SPOON for making you FAT.
Jim: I've been working out........
REM: shooting animals in cages is not working out Jim....you're a disgrace.....
Jim: I'm real sorry sir........
Rem: Well thats not gonna help our gun and ammo sales now is it Jim?
Jim: Well, what if I come out with a new cookbook?
Rem: STF jim. Your fired. You can't cook worth a shit anyways. Send back all the free remington equipment we've sent you. Maybe you should call ruger.......
Jim: Do I need to send back my camo hoveround too?
Rem: Jim, try walking...........you'll lose weight.
Jim: Diane said if I kept eating this new cereal...uh....propo.....ganda......I would lose weight?
Rem: Didn't I tell you to dump her after you got dumped by Ms. pelosi?
Jim: Yeah......I miss her blinking........and those lips....
REM: Christ I'm gonna vomit. Jim did I mention your fired?
Jim: Fired?
Rem: Click

Jim: Diane Honey, I thinks you lied to me. You said everyone hated those scary black weapons and I'd be famous.....
Diane: bllllbrbrlllbr.
Jim: Sorry honey, I didn't know you were stuck under my fat Roll......
Diane: It's ok You fat bastard. (*gasping) You merely succumbed to our liberal propaganda campaine. There's nothing to be ashamed of.
Jim: You mean you really are gonna take all my guns?
Diane: Well of course you dumb bastard.......It's for the children!!!

[Sam]

Mr. Zumbo, I did not know who you were prior to today. Now I do, but you will be soon forgotten. I guess you figure bad attention better than no attention.
Wow! Ain't it a bitch!!

[Mark]

Ignorance is nothing to be proud of.

Not knowing anything about AR pattern rifles some 40 years after their adoption by the US military is ignorant. In forty years the author has only seen one in use? Indeed if there was a superlative form of ignorant, this would qualify.

Forming an opinion about something that you are ignorant of is stupid.

Calling for the banning of something that you are ignorant of is outrageous.

I suspect that Mr. Zumbo was not always the fool that he appears to have become. I would hope that his publisher will take this outrageous attack on his fellow sportsmen as a clue that it is time for Mr. Zumbo to retire. With friends like him, who needs enemies?

[Chuck]

I've always tried to "divorce" myself from any communist who doesn't support the Second Ammendment. I've been reading your work for years, but I just stopped.

[Kelly]

Mr.Zumbo, the ignorance you display to the shooting/hunting sports is sad. The comments of bans and such is however, is just stupidty.

Remington, if your listeneing, you just lost another customer until this guy is gone. I expect some sort of statement from Zumbo and Remington to clear this up. If not, you will never see another penny of my 2nd Amendment supporting dollars. That's a promise.

[Sarah Brady]

Thank you for your assistance in getting terrorist weapons out of the hands of children.

[maintncman]

WOW JIMBO,you really got us ALL FIRED UP!!
heh. heh.maybe you aughta do some rethinking.but then maybe your just an old dog and cant learn any new tricks.
IF you havnt gotten enough well deserved abuse here then I'd like to envite you to come on over to Ted nugent.com and goto talkback,then click on general,and look for
(Jim Zumbo gun grabber)and you'll find even more fans...heh.heh.heh...by the way who ya votin for in o8 jim??...Hitlery? she,d love to make your wish come true,and then some..thanks for the insight on your thought processes...

[Fast Eddy]

This is right up there with Glenn St. Charles saying bow hunters in tree stands and camo look like "gangsters" going to war with wildlife.

What we have here is another out of touch old guy who doesn't understand the lay of the land anymore.

Stick to hunting stories and cookbooks for all our sakes.

[Armand]

Zumbo,

Firstly, I have canceled my subscription to your magazine, and will encourage peers to cancel theirs as well.

Why? Owners of firearms have enough problems with the Feinstein's of the world. For you to intentionally insult and divide the community of responsible and legal firearms owners is not only irresponsible and ignorant, but also self defeating.

Have you not been paying attention to movement against your so-called sporting firearms which are increasingly being classified by gun grabbers as sniper rifles with cop killing bullets/armor piercing bullets. I promise you, once "assault weapons" are outlawed, you're precious bolt action weapons will be next. Gun grabbers can not be appeased.

You are sad sir. You are more dangerous to the 2nd Amendment than the Democratic Party. I will voice my concerns to your advertisers and the NRA. I will advocate and promote boycotting your magazine every chance I get until you issue a formal apology or you're fired.

[Another Arfcommer]

Thanks for being a complete asshat Jim in helping divide the gun community. Elitist prick! Hope you are out of a job.

[waterfowlmaniack]

Jim Zumbo writes " Let's divorce ourselves from them" Fair enough but I will be telling Remington arms, swarovski optics, mossyoak camo and Gerber knives to divorce themselves from YOU

[pvc]

Why are you people so scared the government is going to take your guns?

Posted by: Jake | February 18, 2007 at 03:24 AM

THE SAME REASON THAT YOU SHOULD BE SCARED THAT THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS. If we don't pull together and stop absent-minded comments like your own and vote against this type of legislation, they WILL come after YOUR guns next. I guarantee it.

[Rod C. Venger (USAPatriot)]

I can't believe I just read that.
The Second Amendment to the Constitution is not some mere technicality, nor does it specify exactly what uses an 'arm' is to have. We can use them as we see fit so long as we do not break any law in the doing. We can keep and bear them and use them, or not, as we deem necessary. That someone should so badly judge the legal use of a firearm by another is a horrifying thought. Political Correctness has no place and should have no place inside the confines of our most precious civil right. While I myself do not own an AR style weapon, nor would I hunt with one myself, I certainly reserve that right should I so chose to and providing the laws of my State do not forbid it. As a precision rifle shooter myself, I can certainly appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into a Baer AR-style firearm, and yes, they do make one with a varmint weight barrel. That anyone anywhere to the right of Joe Stalin should equate that weapon with a 'terrorist's' gun is simply outrageous.
Zumbo should do the right thing today and not only apologize to all of his readers but resign and go into retirement as well. In a mere few hundred words, he has done more damage to the legal gun owner's cause than any self-righteous and delusional left-winger has in decades. Perhaps there's an opening with the Brady Campaign for him.
Rod C. Venger (USAPatriot) Colorado Springs.

[spurzmaker]

Thank you for your assistance in getting terrorist weapons out of the hands of children.

Posted by: Sarah Brady

HUH????

[Disgusted]

Why are you people so scared the government is going to take your guns?

Posted by: Jake | February 18, 2007 at 03:24 AM

Ask the law abiding citizens of New Orleans who still have not gotten their's back yet!!

SHEEP!!

[Monte Kernell]

It is truly disgusting to see a fellow hunter/gun enthusiast attack his fellow sportsman because he does not care for the rifle they like. The Brady Bunch will be happy to know that their campaign of lies and propaganda has been swallowed hook, line and sinker by you for further dispersal to the masses via Outdoor Life. Biased, uninformed and elitist snobs such as yourself is why gunowners don't stand much of a chance in this country against those who would ban a lawful person's right to keep and bear arms. You sicken me.

[NSA]

Jake again writes:
Why are you people so scared the government is going to take your guns?

Tories like you said the same thing to Revere, Jefferson, Hamilton, Franklin, and quite a few others you will no doubt study in school in a few years.

[Dave]

Gee, nice article. Sarah Brady would be proud of you. I hope that you realize sir that once they get rid of our "assault weapons" or "terrorist weapons", that they will want your "scoped-equipped sniper rifles" next.

For an outdoor writer, you are the best tool(and I do mean "tool")that the anti-gunners have, and I'm sure some granola-crunching gun-grabber is sitting at home writing an e-mail or blog post right now saying "Look! we are winning! even an Outdoor Life writer hates assault weapons!"

Thanks alot, asshat

I just got back into my chair after reading that one. Just about died.

Joshua Howell | February 18, 2007 at 03:27 AM

[spurzmaker]

We will have to call Jake, Sir Writes alot, but with no thought, or brain to be exact. I can't believe he isn't a plant.

[spurzmaker]

We will have to call Jake, Sir Writes alot, but with no thought, or brain to be exact. I can't believe he isn't a plant.

[Kyle Hirschi]

I honestly can't believe what I have read here. Jim Zumbo bashing what he calls an assualt rifle? How can you be so ignorant?

How is a rifle like an AR, AK, Mini 14 or other semi auto rifles bad? When used in hunting, they fire one round per trigger pull, just like a bolt action, lever action, or pump action rifle. Is it because they extract the round without manual manipulation?

That makes no sense. I thought that Jim Zumbo would be sensible enough to know that it's not the gun that's evil, it's the person, but I guess not.

What next Jim? Perhaps blaming guns for killing people?

Surely you would also realize that a 30-30, 30-06, .308, .270 or many other various calibers commonly used by hunters are more powerful than a 55 grain .223/5.56 bullet shot from an AR, or a 115 grain 7.62x39 bullet that an AK and it's variants use. But I guess not.

Frankly, anyone ignorant enough to be scared of what you term an assault rifle (assualt rifles are generally fully auto Jim, and as we all know, illegal to hunt with) would also be scared of guns in general.

I used to hold you in high regard Jim, but it's amazing how one spat of ignorance can change one's opinion, isn't it?

Do some research on the guns you condemn. Maybe then your ignorance on the subject will be cured...

[watchin]

Since I have never purchased your magazine you have not profited from me. I have read it in the barber shop though. I won't be doing that again. YOU screwed up buddy. YOU said the wrong stuff to the wrong people. If you read the comments to this blog you will see how many people know better than you. If you can put some good spin to it you can always say: "Hardy, har..I KNEW the people who read my articles are good gun owners and I KNEW they wouldn't stand for that crap I was puttin' out. I just did it to show you how strong you all are and to see if you were payin' close attention." Then you need to STFU! Start writing about other aspects of things that happen outdoors, like 'How To Find Shade While Hunting' or '35 New Recipes For Wild Chicken' or even 'How To Get The Best Mileage On Your Hunting Rig' but stay away from anything about guns. You don't know enough to write about them. You know only enough to be dangerous to the already threatened gun owners of America. I know, you only care about hunting, so do us all a favor and stay away from the tools that hunters use. You can read these posts (you won't) and see how deep you stepped into it but for now, just stop writing about firearms. You are going to put us at more risk if you say anymore. Sir, with all due respect, you have outlived your usefulness at promoting any kind of outdoor life. Retire on the kickbacks from the anti-gun lobby and get a real life.
-watchin-

[Xavier]

You sir, are a disgrace, and beneath contempt.

Here's hoping Remington and Outdoor Life divorce themselves from YOU!

[LAR]

You're calling me a terrorist? I am a "Purist at heart" I prefer lever, bolt, and dare I say...Single Shot Rifles. However, I pack one of your "Terrorist" rifles in the field 4-6 months out of the year. No, I'm not talking about the "Game Field".

I would rather not hunt with an AK or AR. However, calling them "Terrorist" rifles? Gimme a break.

I guess Billary Clinton or Barak Obama is going to have you speak at their fundraising dinners.

I hope the nice folks at Outdoor Life FIRES you!

[ED]

Pathetic

[Sick and Tired]

No more Remington
No more Outdoor Life

[SteVe]

Good job Jim, you're falling right into the divide & conquer tactic the gun banners use. If you hunters don't support my right to own a 'terrorist' rifle, do you think I'm going to support your rights to continue hunting? Not a chance. We either stick together or we all descend into a very dark future.

[spurzmaker]

here is the contact page for the letters to the editor. I am writing all four of them. Let them parley the piles of emails they will get.

Everyone click on this link, and begin typing

http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/contactus

[Mike B.]

Your animal murdering rights are not protected by the 2nd Amendment. My right to own "terrorist" rifles are.

You're a grumpy old man and your opinions are a danger to the very sports that your sponsors are responsible for.

I hope you get fired, your hunting buddies disown you, and the NRA scold you and publicly humiliate you.

You sir, are a disgrace to our nation.

[George]

You are a moron!
You're so stupid, you sleep with a measuring tape to see how long you sleep.

You're a despicable fat ass too.

[Mr.T]

Yo Dumbo...er Zumbo,you friggen elitist snob pr-ick.

Looks like the damn, gun grabbers are infiltrating our ranks, doesn't matter much as we can see the scum a mile away.

BTW, real smooth OL and Rem, your now on countless thousands black list along with the rest of the anti-2nd amendment crowd.

[George]

here is the contact page for the letters to the editor. I am writing all four of them. Let them parley the piles of emails they will get.

Everyone click on this link, and begin typing

http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/contactus

[2nd AmendmentRights]

Sir, your statements are treasonous. ALL firearms are killing implements regardless of their configuration. Terms such as “Sporting purpose” and “Assault Rifle” were coined by fearful individuals who are slowly chipping away at OUR Second amendment right through unconstitutional legislation. Buying into these cowardly peoples lies and supporting their misguided viewpoint will get you nothing. Eventually they will come for your firearms, and then your precious little hobby will be gone. For some of us, firearms are not only just a hobby, but a means of defense and a form of “checks and balances” to keep our governing body honest. This is reason for the Second Amendment. Read the writings of Thomas Jefferson. By categorizing the very weapon that our own armed forces use to defend our freedom as a “Terrorist rifle”. You have alienated a huge portion of the rest of the shooting community, plus those people in the armed forces and law enforcement. In fact you are stating that all these people are “Terrorists” with your statement. That is treason.

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My AR will NOT EAT Remington .223 ammo

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[Ashamed To Have Read This]

Wow, this hurts. A man of his stature in the firearms/hunting world. He obviously carries a big knife, b/c he just stuck it in thousands of his brothers backs. Judas.

[troy2000]

Bubba,

that was one of the most ignorant and asinine commentaries I've ever read.

So you'd like to band "assault rifles" from hunting? Reality check: they're ALREADY banned.

Assault rifles are fully-automatic weapons of war, not semi-auto guns that have metal and plastic instead of wood for stocks and look funny to hicks.

And if .30-30's are "underpowered," why do you suppose they've killed more deer than anything else out there?

[Jason Miller]

I will never buy another remington arm again. I think i'll stick to Bushmaster,Armilite,DSA,Springfeild Armory. The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do w/ hunting. It has everything to do w/ owning military style arms. The real terrorist here is Zumbo, he want's to take away our right to defend ourself's from those that would use evil against us, Be they forign or domestic.Btw i should sell my 870 because ill calls it an assault shotgun!!!!Also the NRA should drop their contract with the Outdoor chanel I'm a member I think i'll ask.

[Mike Froman]

The second amendment has absoltlutely nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with self-defense and national defense.I enjoy hunting with my 300 SAUM but it's a hobby piece utilizing outdated technology while my Armalite AR10 308 is a modern, accurate, self loading firearm that is my "Liberty Teeth" and protected under the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America and I will give up my obsolete Remington Sendero long before I give up my AR10 because real Americans have their priorities in the right place.

PS:By advocating a position against the 2nd Amendment you have labeled yourself a terrorist sympathizer and should be censured by the entire shooting industry and gun rights industry.

You can have fun shooting tame Elk in a fenced yard while I wait for years to get an Elk tag and take one in the wild like a real man ;)

[Insulted]

Idiot

Can you say 'backfired', Dumbo?

Good luck with your new career as a walmart greeter

I plan to continue enjoying my 2nd ammendment rights, and shoot my evil AR-15's and AK's.

[Fred]

Zumbo, you suck!!

[Ed]

Lay off the glue Jumbo!
I have one weapon and many firearms, i feel that referring to my firearms as weapons, assault rifles or as you call them Terrorist Weapons implies an intended use. The one i currently refer to as a weapon is my USP 40 that i keep near my bed.
Who's side are you on? we certainly don't need another label attached to the AR to fuel the gun grabbers, when they get their hands on our AR's do you thing they will stop there? nope! it will only be one step closer to them going after our bolt guns

[troy2000]

Bubba,

that was one of the most ignorant and asinine commentaries I've ever read.

So you'd like to ban "assault rifles" from hunting? Reality check: they're ALREADY banned.

Assault rifles are fully-automatic weapons of war, not semi-auto guns that have metal and plastic instead of wood for stocks, and look funny to hicks like you.

And if .30-30's are "underpowered," why do you suppose they've killed more deer than anything else out there?

All my guns happen to be machined steel and wood with bolt actions, but that's an aesthetic choice on my part; I think they're pretty and feel good. I certainly don't think the others are "terrorist guns."

Nice to know you believe th M-16 carried by our troops is a "terrorist weapon."

[DLE88]

Hey, Zumbo, you fucking Commi! You are a disgrace as is everyone else for being ignorant to the type of rifle one chooses to hunt game with. If I want to go and shoot deer, coyotes, or hogs with my AR, I'm going to do it. Why? Because it's my right as an American citizen and member of the Armed Forces. If you don't like, that's fine, but don't try to take away or bash my right(s) that I and others help to keep free. You Jim are one of the Domestic Enemies, as are the antigunners, that are in the Oath of Enlistment.

[Doug]

I think you need to go to your nearest US military base and ask for a wake up slap. Then you need to read the Constitution, and read real slow for the word "hunting" in the 2nd Amendment. I am a hunter. I am also a rifleman who uses AR and other semi automatic weapons regularly. If these are "terrorist rifles", then are you calling me, a law abiding, Constitution defending, family man a terrorist? I am cancelling my subscription to Outdoor Life, and writing to the magazines key advertisers about my disgust for you and your ingnorant, anti-Constitutional sewage of an article. You owe a lot of people an apology, and you are in desperate need of an education.

[JohnJ]

Hunters say, "There is no reason to own a Assault Rifle." Some Hunters now say, “there is no justified time to hunt with an Assault Rifle.”

Hello…the 2nd wasn’t given to us so we could hunt.

Well I say, The 2nd Amendment only provides for a “Well regulated militia”…it doesn’t give a hunter the right to own a lever action, bolt action, single shot or anything…. ONLY the Militia for the Defense of the state, may use and own firearms…So ban the lever actions, bolt actions, and single shots. The cannot be used effectively in modern combat.

I’m very serious here too. Guess what idiot…that is EXACTLY what the gun control groups are pushing now. So if they get their way YOU (hunters) lose.

How dare you call me a terrorist? I have put my life on the line for years protecting YOUR rights and freedoms…and this is how you repay me? Calling me a Terrorist. I don’t care what you think of GW Bush and the conflict in the Middle East, to call us; The United States Military terrorist… using terrorist weapons is disgusting. You don’t deserver the Bill of Rights.

Oh, by the way, please stay the hell out of my state.

Besides, I think you might get scared if you stay around here too long, 'cuz I see lots of owners of those evil 'terrorist' weapons around here. And yes, some of them are even hunters...crazy, I know

[Larry]

Wow! Don't you have to have your articles approved before they're published? If so and someone has then they need to be fired also.

[Jim]

Well, I guess it’s nice to know what Remington’s thinking about in these post-election days. Taking advantage of the situation to ban products Remington doesn’t sell.
Better stock up on what ever Remington product you use to wax your wood Zimbo. When word gets they may not be around much longer.

[rem870]

Good luck in retirement Jim,

I can guarantee remington and outdoorlife won't stand behind you. That would take guts, and money means more than loyalty in today's world.

[HiroProX]

Gun snobbery is one thing. But to actively seek to legislate one's gun snobbery... dishonorable and quite base.

I've taken deer and elk with my FAL, as well as spending a great deal of quality time at the range with it. I also own a Holland & Holland double rifle. I enjoy them both. Both are finely made rifles, just with different design priorities.

Yes Mr. Zumbo, you are a gun snob. Nothing wrong with being a gun snob, I'm a bit of one myself. But when you seek to use legislative force to push your snobbery on others, you cross the line from mere snobbery, to bigotry.

[Bill]

You have no idea of what you are talking about. An AR-15 a terrorist rifle? Give me a break. You appear to be one of the most ignorant excuses of a writer about rifles of any sort. You should resign from writing articles, if this is all you can do and write some trash that is truly wrong and just plain stupid. You have the skewed views of some kind of old, senile idiot.

[Ed]

In addition to my previous comment
Suppose a black powder guy or Archer suggest for whatever reason that we do away with bolt guns, do you thing your response would be similar to the ones above?

I'm done this pisses me off so bad i'm boiling, another lost subscription here

[Texasgunrights]

Pure & utter ignorance! I can only hope your out of a job tomarrow and living under a bridge. Given your stance on this issue I have absolutely no respect for you or anyone that would employee you!

[RS]

Just wait bonehead. It will be our black rifles first, THEN your SNIPER rifle. That's right Jim, Your scoped Sniper rifle that can kill people at long distances..
Every type of weapon has been used in war INCLUDING your "hunting" SNIPER RIFLE.

You're the kind of dope legislators like Schumer and Feinstein love.
Just dumb enough to think you'll be left with yours.

[I'm still in SHOCK!]

It's obvious that "Jake" is Mr. Zumbo's and MS. Feinstein's illegitimate daughter, so don't take her words too seriously. And I wonder if Mr. Zumbo can get a job selling Remington Shavers? At least he'll have one friend - Britney. Jake, dear, go back to sleep. Daddy Zumbo will still buy you a Barbie as soon as his last kick-back check arrives.

Another "terrorist" subscription down.

Very disturbing to me, not to mention a regressionist and hoplophobic view on your part. I am disappointed in you as a writer, thinker, leader